Why She Traded Spirits for Spells: Sunshine Witchski’s Journey

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The Shadow Signal is live. Welcome back, everybody to another fantastic episode of the Shadow Signal Podcast. Unfortunately, today you don't have the charming humor of Stephan Gearheart or the surprised guest from the Jersey Devil. Stephan is under the weather at the time that you're hearing this. Hopefully he's no longer under the weather, and

you know, maybe that's because you all have sent your well wishes back into the past. But today we have a very special guest with us, Sunshine witch Key and Sunshine is a medium. I'm probably gonna drop off things that you are, so I'll just stop for a moment and let you introduce yourself.

Yeah, Sunshine, which ski I go by the pink haired sober Witch. I've also gone by the pink haired psychic medium. I'm a psychic medium, I'm an author, I'm a podcast host myself, I have a radio show. I'm a recovering alcoholic. I'm a reiki man. There's a whole slew of things, you know. Easiest way to probably describe these, I'm a weirdo, right. No.

I think something I tell my kids all the time is the world needs more weird. So yeah, yeah, yeah, So I'm happy to happy to be one of the one of them that are making that good fight. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's funny that a lot of

times people who grow up in a specific religion, like I originally grew up in Christianity until I shed myself of uh we'll call it those change chains and found my own way. But I think it's funny because a lot of people who grow up in a religion, they take on the attributes or characteristics of that religion, whereas

people who either you know, to choose to find their own way or grow up finding their own way kind of like it's like an oli cart cafeteria and they just take things off of the buffet line that fits their needs, and they also treat it like a true buffet and go back and get seconds.

And thirds, Yeah, no, I love that. I love that perspective. I was raised Catholic, I went to thirteen years of Catholic schooling, received all the sacraments that you can receive, you know, as a youth and a young adult, so to speak. But yeah, same thing. You know, there was a time in my childhood where things just didn't see

you know, I'd ask questions and I would be told frank like, just don't ask that, you know, shut up, and uh yeah, So I started to do exactly that, seek my own way and seek my own path. And I consider myself a gray eclectic witch now when it comes to my spiritual practices. Yeah.

Yeah. Our my co host, Stephen also grew up Catholic. Uh so, if he been able to make it today, I'm sure you all would have had a lot to talk about because he went through and got all the different Catholic merit badges and et cetera. And so yeah, I uh, you know, we've often he and I have

talked about a lot of the similarities. Uh. He is now a Wiccan, and so I would, I would we would talk about a lot of the similarities between the ceremonies and rituals of Catholicism, uh and those of uh Wicca, and so how how very much you know Catholicism although it you know, if you're not Catholic or not Christian,

you're considered pagan. Catholicism is probably the closest to pagan practices that you can get. I have often shared with people, how could I not have have grown up to be a witch? When you sit in these like ritualistic like the Mass ritual every Sunday or you know, however many times of the year. Yeah,

I mean it's a very very ritualized religion. There's I mean, there's a lot of other religions that have a lot of ritual and magical kind of practices that are in it. But even if you were to go and look at the Oto, the or I you know, yeah, they literally have the Gnostic Mass, which is a full blown ceremonial

ritual that in essence kind of mirrors the Catholic Mass, And so it's wild. I've sat in one before and I was just like, this is like flashback, right. Yeah. We We've had a good chance an opportunity to interview Alan Greenfield several times. I don't know, if you're familiar with who that is. But he was formerly of

the OTO. He was a bishop, which I always thought was interesting that he was a bishop in the OTO. So again very kind of Catholic in its origins. But yeah, he's talked about a lot of the you know, ceremonial consistencies between OTO and Catholicism. I think probably the sorry to go ahead, oh whole artedly.

Yeah, it's just it's a I think once upon a time, a lot of these magical orders, in order to be i guess inconspicuous in some ways, adopted these practices. Right, They could talk about them, they could still reference them in some way, shape or form, and that's what they were familiar with. So it just felt natural to kind

of transition into this you know familiarity. Well, and as the Catholic churse moves across Europe, uh, and it's for it's to you know, get more and more people to want to be a part of the Catholic Church. They conscripted various ceremonies and deities and various things into the faith so that you know, it's like, oh, well,

you you were going here every every Monday to do this practice, Well, now you can come to the church and we'll give you a hot meal. So yeah, but anyways, I don't want to I don't want this to turn into a history a history of faith podcast, but but it's good to know that, you know, at least uh similarly,

that we have kind of a we'll call it a more more traditional upbringing before we transition to a more secular way of living. Yeah, so Stephane, like I said, my host and myself were both reiki practitioners. I believe he is a reiki master. I've not made it to the master level yet, but you know, we're both pretty

much across the board, probably similar as you, although I would consider myself probably more of I've heard a term, but I can't remember. It's like an eclectic alchemist or something like that. I take on whatever fits, whatever fits me in the moment I understand it, I learned it, I incorporated into my practices, although I have ADHD and

some my practices are few and far between. But I you know, I would say that my only practice today is that I'm consistently not in practice. So you know, I would say you are probably in practice more than you give yourself credit for, right, you know, And I mentor a lot of people because I incorporate

my practice in my recovery from alcohol and my recovery from a whole bunch of stuff. And so you know, I have to share with people. Like when you started to step into these beliefs, right, you start to incorporate them in your life in ways. You know, it doesn't have to be I've got seven PM, and I've got

to get my chalice and my theme and right, it's just like, Okay, I woke up this morning and I was grateful for being alive. Like that is a spiritual practice. Right, So you probably incorporated into your life more in ways than you give yourself credit. You're probably right, And it's probably one of those things

that I've done it so much for so long that I don't even recognize that I'm doing it. Yeah, So shifting gears just a little bit still within the same vein. So you mentioned that you know you're raised up Catholic, then you kind of started to find your own way when you weren't getting the answers that you were looking for.

How did that finding your own way go? And the main reason that I ask is because since us and surveys across the World Show that more and more people are checking the box for spiritual not religious. So I think that there are many, many, many people who are looking for an alternative to traditional religion, and so they

might be kind of stumbling their way in the dark. Yeah, So just your thoughts on, you know, kind of how you you know, in that that effort to find who you were going to be? How did you get started? Did you have help along the way, et cetera. Yeah, No, I think that's a great question and a

great observation. You know, it was different back when I was younger, Right, We didn't have a lot of the knowledge and the wisdom that's available, like readily available as it is here today. Right. And I just had this dream, you know, like a little bit of this conversation with someone recently. Right. So, when I was younger, the first

the way that I kind of stumbled into it was I started to question what I'd been told. And then around the age of sixteen, I walked into my very first metaphysical store. Right. And these are far and few between, but I was lucky that about three to five miles from my house we had one, and I felt different

in there. I felt welcomed, I felt I felt like folks wanted me to ask questions, like they wanted me to challenge what I thought was the truth or what I thought was right, or you know what I believe. They encouraged that. So I think that was a really really big thing. Is you know, if you aren't surrounded

by the people that are doing that for you, then one of two things have to happen. You have to find those people, or you have to find you have to find the courage to continue to explore even when others around you are telling you it's not worth it. And then it was just really reading books. But I

didn't you know, you didn't have sixteen I didn't have a whole ton of disposable income at that time. So so I would go in and I would flip through books often right just sit there and like grab one and read one for an hour, and then if I found one that I really liked, I'd save up and

I'd buy the book. And you really couldn't even go into libraries at that point. Libraries weren't carrying this type of material. Like now you can go into certain local libraries and still find a decent selection of some of this stuff. But back twenty five years ago. That wasn't possible. It just wasn't happening. And no, it wasn't even twenty yea,

I guess twenty twenty five years ago. And so it was a lot of books. It was a lot of reading. And then you know, as the Internet started to come around, it was doing the searches, but it was still far and few between. Right, you might find one website where somebody is listing all of their spells. You might find

one website where somebody is talking about just like the pagan holidays, but good luck finding a website that talked about the mysteries of life. Good luck. Right nowadays, I've got Pinterest boards left and right where I save all sorts of different you know, sites and articles and things that I write read. I have communities that I belong

to in Facebook where I'll watch and I'll explore and talk about different topics. It's unbelievable what it is available to individuals today in comparison to twenty years ago. Like if you if you have a listener, if anybody is listening right now, and you are getting that inkling and you know it, like you feel it inside. Something doesn't

feel right, You're like, there are answers to questions, and I want those answers go out and seek them because they're there and they're ready for the taking. Well, and TikTok has become quite the opportunity to hear from various people across non traditional spiritual practices. There is you know, which talk is a thing? You know, watch

one or two, you know, divination type videos, or I've got a number on you know a psychic you know, guessing type video. I gut a number on the back of this card. I'm gonna flip it in thirty seconds, And you know, watch a couple of those, and you'll find yourself quickly tumbling down the rabbit hole. And it

can be overwhelming at times, especially if you're new into all of this stuff and you're trying to figure out what parts of it you're going to be interested in, because it's it's really a lot like I don't know, I guess it's a lot like a Lego store. You know, there are some pre assembled sets that you can buy,

and then there are people who like myself and probably yourself and others, who just go in and buy a big bag of jumbled up Lego and we construct our own our own designs and things. And so that's the beauty I think of the you know, well, well call it whitchy or pagan side of spirituality is that there

is no right or wrong answer. Yeah, yeah, no, that's it's really a beautiful thing. And it's coming to mind to say this too. Look for so we have I live in the Metro Detroit area, and we have one of the largest esoteric pagan conferences in the United States every year, and look for something

like that. So literally here in the end of February, there are four days of rituals, workshops, lectures right from like ten am until ten pm every night for four days. And it's like one hundred dollars to attend, one hundred dollars to attend. Yeah, it's like mind blowing to me. And the amount that you can get hands on talking

to people, like being a part of things. No longer just sitting in the sidelines kind of reading about it, but literally ingraining yourself in that. So whether it's to conference, whether it's checking a Facebook for events, whether it's you know, meetup or event. Right, like, there are people that are out there that want that want to host that want

to share, that want to teach. It's just it's so much more accessible today than it ever has been. Yeah. Well, and I was going to also say that it seems like it may seem like because the squeaky wheel gets the grease that the climate is not that we'll say, the political climate in the US at least may not

be in a place where you feel like you can be openly you know, not Christian. But I would say that, like I said, media coverage is going to cover the squeaky wheel. You know that's not the case. I don't think in the general community. And so you know, you should feel if you're listening and you're questioning, you should

feel comfortable and safe knowing that you can practice whatever is right to you, don't worry about you know, ridicule or or mistreatment. It may still happen. I'm not saying it won't, but I don't think it's as prevalent as the way the news media lays it out to be. Yeah, it's interesting you bring that up. I'm doing this

like ninety days of shadow work, and this month we're talking about fear right now and today's wash. What's a fear that you have about your spiritual journey, and you're right, like, I think it's reasonable for folks to still be concerned, right, you know, that's that's going to keep you. Fear has a purpose, and so being concerned or having some sense

of fear helps you understand that maybe when you walk into a room, if you get the vibe, I shouldn't talk about that here. You don't talk about it. Right, If you are finding that someone is starting to judge or say things against what your beliefs are, maybe those aren't people that you should hang out with. Right, So,

I think it's still there is still some some fears that are out there, you know, and I get it. I don't know how how public you are on like I literally call myself a witch, like it is very clearly indicated, and so I do get on social media, some pretty horrific things tossed my way, right, But that's

part of my mission is to not not allow that to stop me from representing what I believe is a very beautiful practice and not something for people to be afraid of. Yeah, I mean it's like you said, it can be pretty horrific. I mean I don't openly call myself a

witch only because I don't feel like I squarely fit within that box, but I do openly question a lot of things that would align to Christianity, that sort of thing. Uh, And I also receive similar things. I put out a video a couple of months ago, uh, basically saying that Heaven and Hell aren't real and that their their figments

of you know, created by humans to either you know, to control other humans, either through fear or through war. It's a carotenistic situation. And I got quite a few comments. Uh, yeah, I can imagine that one. So I love that perspective, though I can't say that I disagree with the Yeah.

Well, I mean when you look historically right Norse mythology, Hell h e l was the wife of Loki, who was the brother of Odin, not the son of Odin. Sorry Marvel, you got it wrong. But Hell ran the underworld, not you know, it wasn't a place, it was a it was a person, a deity. So, like we spoke

about before, when Catholicism was moving throughout Europe, it's all an opportunity to incorporate something from Dorise mythology and hopefully convert those people to Catholicism. And it created a stick situation. So, yeah, the Catholic Church had some phenomenal publicists, that's all I got to say. Yeah, if they're not all in marketing now they're missing

out on Yeah. Oh yeah, But I do want to talk a real quick about it's just sticking within the vein of the kind of you know, growing in your spirituality. If you're looking at pagans side, I also say that if you're if you consider yourself an introvert, that doesn't preclude you from still practicing pagan or or you know,

wick or any other type of you know, again, non traditional religion. My wife considers herself an introvert. She has books and ceremonies that she does, she just doesn't get together in circles and things like that. So I think that there's still a possibility for you to explore your spirituality outside of traditional religion without feeling like you have

to go to a group where you have to be a part of a community, et cetera. Yeah, I would agree with I would agree with that. You know, I consider myself an introvert. A lot of people have a hard time believing that. But when you start to learn about the definitions between like what an

introvert and an extrovert means, like I need time and space alone in order to recharge. Being in a group does not fire me up, but I enjoy it. I will say, there's a caveat there, right. I work with folks that are in recovery, and there is a very very fine line between isolation and sacred solitude, right, And

so you know, if you enjoy are truly enjoying being with yourself, and you know, find a lot of comfort and love and peace in that place, and so be it. But there are circles that are out there that can still honor and respect the introvertedness, the need to be you know, not in a spotlight, not being having attention

called to oneself, right, respecting the energetic boundaries that exist that can allow you to feel comfortable and safe and still be in community. Yeah. So I do want to move on and shift topic just a little bit, because, as you said in the beginning, and you've said now two additional times, I'll consider the

rule of three and we'll talk about it. You do a lot of work with recovering alcoholics, and I think you incorporate not I don't. Well, I guess when I ask the question, do you only work with recovering witches or do you work with any recovering alcoholic if they're open to your style or your technique.

Yeah, I think that's a good a good question. So I work with folks in recovery. And I describe this first as you can be in recovery from substance us so alcohol or drugs, food addiction, sex addiction, gambling. You can be in recovery from trauma or even just self abandonment. Right. Think about how many of us have just abandoned who

we are because society told us we need it to be somebody else. Right, And so I can work with anybody in recovery. That's like the biggest caveat. What I find is a lot of people that choose either one of two things. They have an inkling where their own beliefs lean into the practice of witchcraft. Right, They're comfortable

with the spells the moon, They're comfortable with ritual, you know, the creative aspect. They like the divination side of things, or they literally know they're a witch. Right, So it's one or the other. Nobody is required, And there's a lot of folks that work with me They're like, I just don't like you. I just don't feel like the word,

which is a label that I want to adopt. And I'm like cool, because I'm not here to label you, right, I'm not here to label you. So yeah, these are folks in recovery from anything that is robbing them from living the life that they want to live, and they typically lean towards the practices of a witch.

So how does I guess what are the parallels between, you know, using witchcraft or pagan practices and recovery. So when I think, you know, use the word alchemists. Right, So if we go into the language of alchemy, alchemy is turning lead into fold and so from a witches or a magical perspective, a lot of times what we

in essence are trying to do when we're doing divination, when we're doing spell work, we are trying to do an alchemical process. Right. We want to take one thing and turn it into another. And so if we think about recovery, I have this you know, shit storm of a life I used to be in and I want

to create it a beautiful life for myself. So we use the practices of divination, ritual and really of learning how to be in a healthy relationship with ourselves and others to try to do that we do, That's that's how we recover. Yeah. And I think it's interesting you say there, you know,

the healthy relationship with yourself, because I think a lot of times people who are in those traditional religious practices often think of they they come to rely on the deity or the saint or whatever that they associate themselves with as being the entity or energy that will save them from their situation. But I think that in all actuality,

we eat individually have to agree that we are the only ones who can really save ourselves from whatever the situation is that we're in. And so it's just a reinforcement of that. You know, no one is coming, no, no magical deity is coming to save it, whether it be uh, you know, God, Jesus or pain. We have

to put in the work if we want to see change. Yeah. I mean that's even when I talk or I teach about working with deities or you know, because you can be a Christian witch, you know, your choice of deity can be you know, God, our Father and Jesus and Mary and the Holy Spirit. Right. The thing is is

when I teach about working with these etheric energies, it's not giving over to them, it's imbos in oneself the qualities that they have. Right. That's like, you know, if you we go back, you go you raise Christian Like the teachings of Jesus aren't to say Jesus is going to do all of this for you. It's to say,

be like Jesus, right, embrace the christ consciousness love all right, And so yeah, you know you don't have to in any way, shape or form if like and I think I've been you know, it's guilty habit lately, but I hadn't played for a long time video games. But I think about a video game, right, and like the video

game is created, you're given all of the tool and I don't care what game and all the tools that you need, but you are still the player in it. Right. Nobody's gonna, you know, quote unquote save you. Right, You're gonna have to be the one that keeps going over

and over again to figure it out and to try to get to the end. And it's it's the same thing. You know, if you if you were if you truly want to quote unquote win at the game of life. You've got to be the one with the controller in your hand, right, Yeah.

I think it's also important that you realistically define winning. Hm hmm, yeah, success. I've had that conversation with a handful of folks. Right. If you and I have this quote that I, you know, said many many moons ago. If you allow other peoples to define what winning is or what success looks like in your life, then whose

life are you really living? Yeah, so it's important what what does success look like? What does winning look like? You get to decide what that is. So not only here are we talking about like this video game perspective, right, you are the one that are putting the title on it. You're saying the type of game that it is. You're saying,

like what what you get to be? You know, it's I love that. You know, Christian he has to think God created the world, you know, us in his image, so to speak. And it's like, yeah, because we get to create all of this, we are responsible. You know. Part of my daily prayers, you know that I say,

you know, or even when I open up circle and I close it, you know, I thank all of the gods and the goddesses for surrounding, guiding and protecting us. It is our individual responsibility to take the actions that we need to in life, but I'm thankful for their guidance and protection along the way. Right, somebody is like,

you know, whispering in my ear and miss three D space and saying, hey, you're not paying attention. I'm like, damn, I'm not. Okay, what do I gotta do? Right? Well? And I think that a lot of times people think about you know, deities and gods and goddesses and things as being these you know, far off distant

energies that are ancient and you don't want to bother them with your small problems of the day. But like you said, you're embodying them. You're you're you're calling their power to you so that you get access. That's in your video game concept. You found you know, the platinum Sword that was hidden behind the little cavern, and now

you have this extra, you know, tool that you can use to to accomplish whatever it is that you are trying to accomplish. And whether it be a side quest or the overall journey itself. Yeah, no, it's a I you know, I love and I love doing you know, working with deities and the

embodiment of and I think about you know, I love that you called out that they're not far away. And this gets really like into that esoteric space, right. You know, if if you get to the point in your discovering of the mysteries of life where you start to understand that, you know, the whole fractured piece, like we're all a

fractal of each other, that we all exist at the same time, in the same place, and all you know, then we are like we are these gods, we are these goddesses. They are part of us, like they don't there's no need to like reach miles away or go up into the heavens like no, they are just like

right here anytime that we consciously want to make us our own selves aware. Of that, Yeah, I agree. I think about it often as it's you know, people talk about past lives and future lives, but because time and space time are different, they're not really They exist in the physical plane but

not much else. And so because of that, like you said, all of your lives that you ever have lived, will live, are living now. They're all happening in the same moment, and you have access to all of that collective information and experience, and my personal opinion, I think you receive a lot of that while you're dreaming tonight. That's why

if you have a dream where you're fighting vampires with your mother in law, it's because in some life you're doing something that your brain in this life just can't comprehend. So it translates to the best possible analogy that it can. And so you're fighting vampires with your mother in law. But there's an experience to be learned in that situation

that you can incorporate into your life, this life that you're living now. Yeah, no dreams. There is a whole another world, you know, for me that kind of exists in that dreamscape. And it's interesting that you bring that up, because I've been noticing since I've been playing these video games. This is

only like the last three weeks, I've been dreaming about video games, right, And it's a wild thing, and I'm curious. I keep asking the question as i wake and I'm like, what, what in the world? Why? Why are these video games coming into mind? And there's there's got to be something in the like questing that I'm doing, like something I'm

right now in the conscious world trying to figure out but I'm not aware of, which I'm fine with right because that can be very but it'll it'll naturally start to unfold itself. So I think that's why they've been showing it to my dream So. Yeah, that's that's a very valuable insight for yourself. So,

since the nature of our podcast is more around uh, we'll call it spooky experiences, I'm curious if you've actually had any type of let's say, practical or not practical, actual experiences with spirit or entities or any of that sort of thing beyond just you know, kind of a nudge or a feeling, but you know, anything that you

know has affected your spiritual or sorry, your physical reality. I mean, you know, as a medium, there's all sorts. And I've done it professionally, so I've had lots of conversations with other people's loved ones. But I would say the thing that's still and I've shared this on a handful of guest spots because it just I don't care

the fact that it happened like three and a half four years ago, it still weirds me out to this day. It was the first time I ever saw an alien yeah, I had. I used to do once a month where you could, you know, you pay certain amount of dollars and you could show up on zoom with me and

I would read for everybody that showed up. And somebody shows up for the first time, and I hadn't seen a lot of times people were repeat and they're like, hey, first time here. I don't know if you can help me. And I was like, you know, give it a shot, right, And they're like, I feel like this is a really

weird statement that I'm about to share. And I said, I love weird, so let's let's do this. And they're like, I feel like I have an alien attached to me. And all of a sudden, like and I'm seeing him on the zoom screen and I can see like I'm there right next to him. There's this little image pops

up and just starts waving at me. And I was like, oh my, oh wow, right, Like it was a very different feeling. You know, I've connected to spirit for years, years and years and years, but I didn't feel there's they're energetic in the same way that I feel another spirit. He literally like just kind of like showed himself, right,

he you know, like appeared not like yeah, So it just showed himself differently, felt differently, you know, and the story is the way the story goes. He'd actually been attached to that individual for a long time. They had met in a previous lifetime and made the agreement that, you know, in this particular lifetime, he would help support

whatever the journey was that that individuals on and ever since. Like it is probably the one thing that creeps me out the most is because I can't feel them, right, So I don't you just don't feel the energetic like you do of a spirit that's crossed on the other side. And I have seen them show themselves like they'll they

think it's funny. They find it very humorous when they can just pop in and show and I'm I'm just like, okay, thank you, thank you. Could we just not do that, because it's just it's creepy. It's creepy to me, It's very creepy. Yeah. The energy of aliens or you know, however you

want to classify them, is different. I have most, not most, a majority of my guides are non human spirits or non human energies, and so I've gotten to where I can tell the difference between when I'm talking about a guide of mine that's a human spirit versus a guide that is a non human energy. But it is very different.

I the word I often use is dense or heavy. Their energy is very dense or heavy because I think they're just to steal from a New Age term, they're vibrating at a very high frequency, and so their energy, just like I said, it feels very dense or heavy. Usually when I talk with them, I'm very, very tired afterwards.

It just takes everything in me to communicate with one of them. And but you know, a cookie and a coke and I'm right back at it. So yeah, So that's that's been probably the strangest and also just what has been explored in that in that perspective, right, I was really there's this book that I just saw

at Barnes and Noble that's all about all of the different like non human entities, and I just wasn't in there to buy a book, but I was like really itching to do it. And I don't know, we'll see if I come across it again, it might be another story. But that's a rabbit hole to go down, because there

are and I think some of some of what has been shared around these particular ones, because there is a whole slew of different ones, some of them I don't have an issue with. It's these particular ones, and there is kind of a philosophy or a perspective that has been shared with me. And you know, my guide's evalidated

that some of these aren't even aliens per se. They are future selves that have come back in order to aid their own selves here today. But they hear alien like, yeah. Yeah again, because all life, all of your lives are happening at the same moment. Your you know, our own way of thinking about time is the only thing that

restricts us from experiencing for us in the now being guides for them in the future. Ye yeah, So I know one of my daughters, one of her guides is a lifetime of hers that will be in the future. It is a future lifetime that takes place in our physical past. So that gets yeah really quick.

No, no, it comes to mind. So I did maybe three years ago. I did. I think it was six sessions of what people would consider like a past life type of regression style, but I did it where it wasn't past lives it was my younger self, and there is a very distinctive time. I don't I'd have to

read go through the recordings where what I told myself. I had like memories being in this regression of my older self telling my younger self these things like I don't you know, as a young child, I was astral projecting. I was doing things as a kid that I like as an adult, I'm like, how in the hell, Like,

like I said, you didn't, there was no TikTok, the none of this stuff exists. How in the world did I know how to astral project at the age of eight years old? How did I know how to do that instinctual Well, some of it was me in this adult age, in this past regression, going back and telling

my younger self to do it. Yeah, it was just wild. That was probably like the next thing that was like the most impactful. That just kind of really shook again that time space, Right, I literally was existing in both and you know, as both an adult and a child at the same time in them.

Yeah, it's if you haven't, if you haven't yet come to grips with the let's say expanded concepts of time, then this this conversation we just had can be very difficult for a lot of people. But yeah, I also have witnessed that I recently was at just a regular old, you know, therapy session, and my therapist is really cool

because she is open to all this stuff, and so I was telling her that, you know, I realized the other day that I made and made a decision which led to a life insight. And I recognized immediately that that life insight had influenced the decision that I made twenty three years ago. So knowing it now influenced me

twenty three years ago. So again, it's just the whole you know, we I don't think we really or science even has really an understanding of what time is. Oh god, no, no, not not at all now, And I'll go back. It's popping into my head, so I have to share it. This right here. What we're talking

about is exactly why you do more magic than you give yourself credit for, because you may not be doing it on this quote unquote timeline, but there is one you are. Yeah, yeah, yep, so I did so. Shifting gears again topics slightly as you have I guess gone throughout your

spiritual growth over the last twenty five years or so, do you find that even now that you're still learning new things or adapting new experiences or things and growing your understanding of what your spiritual path is. Yeah, I don't. I don't know that I'll ever stop. I really don't. You know, there is so much, like

the breath of knowledge that is available just in the physical plane, let alone if you pause and connect to like directly to source. Yeah, I mean, there's there is so much to be learned, so much, you know, to be absorbed, and not enough like literal physical time in the in the in the physical like you know, three

D linear space to be able to do it. You know, I made a commitment to spirit when I started working with it, you know, on a daily basis. And you know, I even find that my memory gets gets fuzzy, like I have a struggle with my memory. And the conversation that Spear and I have had is like, just make

sure I know what I need to know when I need to know it right, and I don't care how it shows up. It could show up in a synchronicity, It could show up because somebody else brings it to me. It could show up in a book that happens to fall into my lap somehow, a video that pops up

on my feed, whatever it is, just make sure I know what I need to know when I need to know it. And so yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm actually I love this because I'm One thing I have always had throughout my entire life that I recall is just this deep desire to explore and to know more information. So yeah,

I you know, it doesn't it doesn't matter that I've been twenty five years of studying and reading and learning. I'm sure I've got another you know, twenty five thirty left to go. Yeah, the day, you know, I think it was Einstein who said when you stop learning, you start dying.

So yep, I would agree with that. So I have to ask this might be a little bit of a personal question. Feel free not to answer, But I myself find that sometimes the the mediumship psychic life is exhausting, and I'm curious if you also, just not because it's an energetic exhaustion, but just because you have,

like this want to do more than you can ever possibly do in a twenty four hour span. Yeah, there's a couple of places where I think the exhaustion comes into play, right and energetically it can be I've worked the Psychic Fair, I have not. This past year, I didn't. I hardly did any shows. I think I

did two shows. But the three years, three or four years prior to that, I was what I would consider a professional traveling psychic. And so within a weekend I could sit with anywhere from twenty to forty five clients. And that's a lot. So that is energetically tiring, where you're just constantly flipping to I would leave on a

Sunday or a Monday, and it would take me two to three days to call, like come back to reality, so to speak. I think, you know, there's also this kind of exhaustion that comes with the expectation that others think that you're constantly on too, right, like I have. You know, I love this one particular aunt very much,

but like she will message me all the time and you know, all sorts of things. Oh well, so and so just had a friend who passed, you know, could you check on him? Could you? And it's like like this isn't how this works, right, Like I can, but you know, this is just I'm not your I'm not

your personal psychic the other piece, and we talked a bit about dreams, so you add that particular piece that there's like other people have the expectation that you're kind of constantly on right and that you're just you know, there to kind of connect. But then I believe those of us that are very strong in our psychic gifts

we do we are more consciously aware of the work we're doing in our dreams. And so there's this really lovely you know, female magician out of the UK, and she you know, I read, I've read a number of her pieces, and she talks about how there is often more deep, intense magical working that we are doing in

our dreams. And therefore many of us that have these gifts and are very strong in them will find that we become more exhausted the more we sleep. So you know, if you have a really busy conscious life, right, you know, I got to do it to do list, you got to leads a fan like all of these things. And

the only time that your own you know, soul and spirit has to do the magical work that it needs to do is in the in the sleeping hours. Like good luck of her feeling like you know, you you're well rested, right because you now And I've said this, I've los a drums since I was a kid, and

I said this to a handful of folks. I often feel like I'm working twenty four to seven. Yeah. Yeah, I learned A couple of years ago there was a document that came out from the CIA about a thing that they reviewed and tried to incorporate called the Gateway Experience by Robert Monroe, and it I've listened to

all six of the recordings and there's a lot of magical practice in his Gateway Experience, you know, formation of an energy bubble around oneself for protection, grounding. You know, he calls it different things. But if you're if you're aware of the magical practices, you'll identify them in the Gateway Experience. But what I have found is that I,

using his using his methodology, I incorporated to what I call macros in my being. One or one of them is the Focus three, the other one is focused ten. And Focus three puts the body to sleep, and Focus ten puts the entirety of your being to sleep. I do do a lot of work, psychic work or or

you know, in my dreams, but I found that when I invoke Focus three and Focus ten, I actually wake not feeling like I didn't sleep at all because those two you know, those two rituals or macros or we won't to collum. They they allow my body to still do the repair and recover work while while my spirit

and energy is off gallivanting around the universe. Hmmm. Interesting. I have to do a little bit of reading about that. I haven't felt it in a really long time. And now about this video game thing and everything that's going on in the world right now, and I'm like, oh my god, this is what I'm doing.

I'm like, my video games in my dream are me actually doing? Yeah? This battle in what's going on in the world right now. I'm like, okay, okay, yep, got it. And I don't know if if you feel this or not,

But on days when the world is in a lot of churn, I feel it pushing against my boundaries all the time, not just you know, the world's turn, but the energies of the people of the world pushing against my boundaries. I really doubled down on my shielding and grounding work on those days.

Yeah, I you know, because I'm in recovery, my shielding and my grounding, and the work that I've done is I think a lot more intense than a lot of other individuals. And I'm working with people in recovery, so like if I leave rawness open at any given time, it's it's an energetic threat to my sobriety. I mean,

that's that's the truth of it. And so I do feel it like it's been ruffled the last week, you know, ever since you know what happened in Minneapolis. I'm watching a lot of not where I have to do it, but where I'm watching a lot of stuff crumble around me. And that's it's the distraction part that starts to become dangerous, right.

And I've had this conversation with folks, you know, like you know, I don't know about who all is in your audience as far as listeners go, but there are some people that get really, really passionate about causes and they get very very fired up. And I think that we need people to do that. But I've had a

handful of folks that have chastised me for not getting fired up, and I've had to remind them that my mission and what I've been called to do is to help the people that are struggling with addiction, and that if I become distracted from that mission and purpose, then that leads to more of what they're fighting about, what

they're fighting for. So need I know where my lane is. That doesn't mean that I don't have compassion. That doesn't mean that when we gather, you know, encircle and I open prayers that I'm not stating prayers for all of them stuff, But I know where, you know, my energy needs to be spent. And I think that helps me

a lot not get as caught up in some of that churn because my mission is very clear in life and that's that's only been you know, in the last year and a half. That spirit said, are you ready? Because you've got a calling that's bigger than yourself. Now. Yeah. I also, I don't know if you have

any children, but I'm also a dad and so for me, I have to weigh the risks of going to a protest and potentially getting arrested or worse versus you know, staying at home and making sure that my kids are safe and are taking care of, et cetera. And so the way that I involve or engage is through the

sharing of you know, videos and posts and all of that kind of stuff, the words of you know, of support, et cetera. But I because I'm concerned about potentially leaving my kids or my wife without you know, their their dad or husband for some period of time while I'm sitting in jail because I decided to go to a protest. Yeah,

you know, if the risk outweighs the potential reward and so so I feel you on that, And it's a hard you know, there there are days when I want to be more active. I want to be the person who goes to the protest, I really do, but I ultimately have to decide what's the best thing for my family.

So I've had this conversation too where I think, and this is you know, my how I define a which is three things. I think I've said that. I described the last one as in like the healthy relationship with oneself and others, But in reality, I believe in that healthy relationship. It's we are also called to be of

service to the world, right, And what you just described your service of the world, and I remind a lot of women of this right is to raise beautiful, healthy children. That's how you're fighting the protest is to ensure that the human beings that you are raising in this world are going to love the world, not destroy it, right,

And that I think is something that a lot of people forget and don't give themselves enough credit for that. It is not easy to raise healthy, happy, loving human beings when we live in a world filled with hate. Well, and that will go off and make the changes that your generation and my generation at least doesn't seem

to be able to make. So yeah, yeah, yeah. Well I we're about at time. I do want to give those people an opportunity. Where can folks go to find you and the work that you're doing. Yeah, I try to make it really easy, so you

can find me on Facebook and on Instagram to search for sober Witch Life. And if you're not on the socials you don't, you can even check for Sober which Life on YouTube so all their sober witch life, or go visit www. Dot soberwitch dot life, so you can find everything easy.

Yeah. Yeah, everything that you've got going on, everything I've got going on, everything that you might be interested in, you can find in one of those channels. Yeah awesome, Well, thank you so much for being here with us today, Sunshine. I really appreciate it.

Yeah, thanks josh. I hope you have a beautiful rest of your day and I appreciate the time today right