The Man from Taured and other Travelers from Forgotten Realms

Welcome to the Shadow Signal, The Frequency of the Unknown. I'm Josh Rutledge. And I'm Stephan Gearheart. Together we dive deep into high strangeness, UFOs, cryptids, the paranormal psychic phenomenon, and the hidden truths that echo just beneath the. Surface, somewhere between reality and myth lies The Signal. Can

you hear it? Tune in. The Shadow Signal is. Live and welcome back, ladies and gentlemen to another fantastic episode of The Shadow Signal. I am your host Stephan Gearhart, joined us always by the miraculous Josh Rutledge. What's happening brother.

Yeah, I'm feeling pretty miraculous right now. Thanks for pointing that out. Oh so you had a solid one today. Yeah, it was like a curR plunk moment, if you know what I mean. Uh, you know, it's really interesting. It was just remarking I think I told you know,

passed along to you and our friend Chris. It seems like there is some sort of like the universe is looking out for me sometimes. And uh, you know, we recently had came into like my credit card that I have, me must have let me know they're going to increase my limit. I was like sweet. But then we also

in the same week found out that we have to get a new roof and we and we'll basically we'll need that to pay our deductibles. So you know, it's it's it's like yes, but also no, but you know, so yeah, I mean I would consider that miraculous. It is miraculous. You know what else is miraculous the

fact that when we're recording this, it's Star Trek Day. It is Star Trek Day. Yep l l A p yep. I don't even have a Star Trek shirt on, but I've gone I don't either. I got a work shirt on. I've got a Spock somewhere behind me, So that counts.

It counts, it does. Well. We've got a fantastic episode for you guys today. We're gonna be talking about different people from I don't know, how would you explain it. There are travelers from forgotten realms, like we're gonna talk for a man from Taret, We're gonna talk about some

green kids. We're gonna talk about a lot of stuff. So yeah, we're gonna talk about a lot of stuff. And so what that did is that led me to do something a little bit different for psychic Word of the Week. The psychic.

Oh, so psychic word of the week instead of flipping through the books. So Psychic Word of the Week comes to you from the Encyclopedic Psychic Dictionary by June G. Bletzer, PhD. Rest in peace, honeybear. I love you. I never even knew you, but I know she's here.

She's always here. She's like, thank you for reading about book, always watch. Thank you for giving my family royalties because our listeners go out and find copies of this still. So I love that half priced pokesplants. Yeah, me too. And I was like, I already got one, so I don't need another one. But yeah, I got it.

And I decided to look up since we were talking about people displaced. I decided to look up, you know, because my first thought is different dimensions, right, that's my first thought. So I looked up to see what dimensions I was going to say. But then it flipped over right before dimension is the word dimension shifting, And it

caught my eye and I was like, all right, let's go. Oh, so here's what dimension shifting says. There's actually three three definitions. The first one says to disappear at will from the physical world without moving from one space and without disrupting one's structure of existence, to change the vibrational frequency of one's physical body or visible structure into a faster vibrational frequency,

and to slide one's whole structure instantaneously into another dimension of life invisible to the physical world. Structure or physical body stays in the invisible dimension or reappears again in the physical world with no damage to its living structure. Regardless of existing in the invisible or visible world. Time in the invisible dimension varies from minutes to years. Change

of dimension occurs in a matter of minutes according to man's sense of time. That's just the first definition. Wow, already got thoughts. I'll save them. Yeah, talk about no, talk about it because. So it makes me think about I can't remember, I think see it may be a dam Ski talked about

in one of his contact experiences that he was taking aboard a ship and he was gone for what felt like hours, but when he returned it had only been a few minutes. To be wonder if, like you know, that is a dimensionality shift where which. Is interesting because it's usually the opposite. It's like I

was gone for a minute and I come back in three years have passed, right. It's it's always a matter of missing time as opposed to you know, like you said, it's a realization that you really didn't lose any time, but you feel like you I mean, I remember you told me one time

you had a dream where you in the dream, you felt like you had lived an entire lifetime in the year, full year, and then you woke up and you know it just was only the night again. Maybe you did a dimensional shift, yeah, in that dream. Yeah, because it was I still vividly remember that dream.

I can remember waking up, eating breakfast every day, going I was a high school senior. I can remember going to school every day, taking tests like I can remember that like it's a whole year out of my life, that my family was there, like everything. The thing for me that always, and this is slightly related,

the thing for me that always a differentiates between a dream and perhaps something more, as if there already smells that you associated with that experience. And the reason is because in dreams you don't really smell anything, because yeah, you know, your physical body is not engaged smell is a chemical reaction. You know, sight and sound and even

touch to some level is electromagnetic, but smell is chemical. So if you have smells that you recall after a dream or an abduction experience, it's tends to be heavily more that it actually occurred versus it's just a memory or or or or a dream. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you know it's interesting. One of the things

I cannot do in my dreams is read. I always struggle reading, and last night I was able to read. Like I couldn't tell you what it was because I didn't get to remember it, but I remember all the words were clear, and I remember being taken aback by it. Like my dream self was like, hey, wait a.

Minute, yeah I can read. Yeah. Those are always the best when you like have that realization that something is different, but like different in a game. Yeah. Way, try try before you go to bed, like trying, like as you're falling asleep, set a minus until anchor to say everything that I that I experience while I sleep tonight, I

will remember when I recite this word and then set a word and then when you wake in the morning, you know, it's like you're kind of waking up and stuff. Say that word and then you should have, you know, access to everything that you experienced while you were asleep. That's a good yeah. Yeah, I think I've heard that

concept before, but it's a good one. Yeah. The last thing I'll mention about this one definition we still have two more to go? Yeah, we still got two more to go is. And this is a little bit of a call out for segment we're going to try to bring back. But

we once had a listener story on the show where a guy was like camping or something by himself in the woods and he was attacked. Yeah, by the something invisible. Something invisible that just appeared out of nowhere and attacked him and tried to drag him like away, ended up

just taking his backpack. Yeah, and then the guy remained in that space. And so again makes me think of that kind of dimensional shift aspect. Yeah, did I randomly think about that story all the time. That's a good one. That one that is definitely one of them that's stuck with me. The other one of

our old listening stories that stuck with me was the girl who thought her dad came by, Yeah, and it turns out he was men. In black or alien or whatever. Then her dad showed up afterwards. Oh that one sticks with me for a long time too.

But yeah, so all right. Second definition. Second definition of dimension shifting too requires the ability to hold one's focus on one's bodily vibrations and to maintain this focus in the invisible frequency, so the body or structure will stay intact and can reappear in the same form. It is always willed by the shifter in innate characteristic

of nature, spirits and of UFO with transmutation of the alchemists. Yeah, that was the last bit there of that one. So always willed by the shifters. What stuck out to me, like. What really, like I think is interesting is whenever I like to pull at the function of will or or or let's say, the origin of will, whenever I bring

my attention, that is to say, I put my conscious mind on whatever the experience is that I'm having, it feels like it escapes me. Yeah, it feels like it's only when I'm able to set the analytical part of me aside and just experience it does it stay with me. So that makes me wonder if will is not a

analytical thinking aspect act more so than it's just like a you know, it's just part of who you are. It's part of being. It's part of the creative side perhaps instead of the thinking side. Yeah, I mean your consciousness in general. Yeah.

So well, Number three says in quote or in parentheses, Native American says, to change dimensions, one changes levels of attention and goes through a crack in the atmosphere, a subtle division between the two worlds. The secret is in the art of attention and awareness. So that's something I didn't realize that Native American mysticism dealt with.

That actually makes sense because you know, the two Navajo ranger guys, I can't remember their names. Yeah, but they've talked about one of their cases being in a port where like they were doing an investigation and money just fell, like change just fell from nowhere. So I mean, you know, we we would probably call them portals, but cracks, you know,

I mean, it's still it's it's an interesting call out that has cross cultural like echoes, if you will. And so I think, like for me, the more the more a a common theme is echoed across cultures, the more likely it is to be real. Sure Sasquatch, for example, different cultures call it different things, but cross cultural history.

There's been talk of hairy beasts in the woods, right exactly. Don't hit them with your car, Yeah, especially not today's cars. I don't think today cards could survive hitting you know, Harry or anything else. He probably crumple unless you have a saturn then he could just pop back out, right. But yeah, it makes me, you know, it makes me

think that you know, some portals cracks things like that. It probably has some uh some truth reality to it. Yep, agreed, So fantastic word h fantastic selection. Really uh got a good discussion on it, and it yeah, directly ties to the topic for the evening. Yep, which, yeah, you're ready.

I don't have any I don't have any what we call signals from interrupted signals. I don't really interrupted transmissions. You know, I'm not enough to do a segment introduction. I will just I continue to see like a spirit, my spirit cat who passed, you know, I continue to

have that kind of stuff. So yeah, but nothing really, you. Know, yeah, just things out of the corner of my eye and things like that. But all right, well let's move on into the main topic then. All right, So before we actually get into talking about the main topic, I do want to do a call out.

As we mentioned before, we talked about a couple of our listener stories that we've had in the past. If you all have been listening to the show for you know, any period of time, this is not your first time hearing about us. First of all, thank you. Second of all, you know that we've done a segment in the past

called listener stories, and so we want to start that back up again. We want to hear from you, our listeners. What stories do you have of your interrupted signals if you will, and so you can send those to us at the Shadows Signal Podcast at gmail dot com. And then just you know, listener story or interrupted signal and

the subject line just something to kind of give us the heads up as to what it is. But we would love to have those and we'll read them on the show. And you could tell us if you want us to give your name or location, or we can give you an alias, whatever you want to feel comfort with,

or if you just want to share it but you don't want us to read it, that's fine too. So again, send us an email The Shadow Signal Podcast at gmail dot com. With your listener stories. So let's go ahead there, jump into the topic. Hold on, cuz real quick. I wanted to say, uh,

so I just went and saw the new Conjuring movie. Yeah, and it deals with the Smirl Haunting, which we covered. So if you guys are interested in if you've seen the movie and you want to go back and do a dive into the Smirl Haunting, go back and check out our Smirl Haunting episode. I think it was Fearscape.

Pretty sure it was Fearscape. Yeah, it's it. Because we didn't start a new podcast, we just rebranded. It should all be there. But yeah, if you google, you know Smirl Haunting, Fearscape, or even like vergis in it should come up. So, yep, I just wanted to drop that because that

was a really cool It's one of my favorite, one of my favorite of all. If you're watching slash listening to this on YouTube, I'll add a link to that episode in the in the description of the video. So and I think I think that Theologian was on

that episode. Maybe maybe I don't recall. Yep, I've done a lot of episodes. All right, Main topic, main topic, Main topic, all right, done? Main story So this really came to me wanting to talk about this tonight because you had expressed, well, you know,

a couple of years ago about the man from Torret, and so we are gonna talk about that particure case. But really, when I started thinking about it, because that particure case, I mean, there's it's interesting, doing me wrong, but there's not a lot of content. But it made me think about the other one we lightly touched on

once upon a time, which was the Green Children of Woolpit. So that led me to, you know, want to dig into and find what are the other stories that are out there? Are the other theories if you will, around these kind of lost nations or these other lands that you know, maybe we've forgotten about. So right, yeah, what

do you got? I'm super pumped for this. So, like I said, we'll start out with the Man from Torrid. So this actually started or this happens in nineteen fifty four in Tokyo, and it is a well dressed European man presents a passport from Torrid, yep a. Country not the store toward no, but more like tourists.

H T A U R E D is the way it's spelled, and it's a country that you know, nobody has ever heard of before. It doesn't exist on any map. The man speaks multiple languages, French, Japanese, and others. His passport looks legitimate, has stamps from various countries, and he claims that Torred has existed for over a thousand years

and it's located between France and Spain. He is detained, investigated, guarded in a hotel room overnight. By morning, he and his documents vanish without a trace. There was no media coverage really at the time, but you know the nineteen fifty four that's right, Yeah, in Tokyo. Now there is a story that happens during a similar time of a

man who presented a fake passport at the airport to try to scam his way into the country, and debunkers use that story to say, that's the explanation from the man from Torque, right. But you know, we've talked about this extensively in the past. Just because something what is it a correlation, does not equal causation, right, Just because

something similar happened around the same time doesn't mean it is the explanation for the story, right. So you know this is really interesting because A few months ago, I was at a friend's house for SkyWatch, our friend Shane, and a person was there who's kind of a part of the Phoenix move on stuff here in Arizona, and

she asked me that I had ever heard about the anomalous Architecture of Europe theory, and I was like, no, have you ever heard? Okay, So the theory is that many European structures appeared to be too advanced for the time that they were supposedly constructed. Okay, like these big you know, manners with leeds, like intricate laid you know,

marble tile and fireplaces, like all this stuff that supposedly built you know, in some cases like the eleven hundred, twelve hundred, thirteen hundreds like people. It's basically it's basically the European version of the Great Pyramid. The the theory is is that we as a civilization did not have the capability to build these enormous, intricate mansions and things,

and so more than likely we just came across them and repurposed them for our own needs. These things include like churches, forts like Notre Dame is considered one of these where we likely did not have the capability to build Notre Dame. So instead it was there already and we just built a city around it. Interesting, or or

places in Milan, or like these those big domed government buildings and star forts that you find across Europe. Yeah, those are all types of things where they're basically saying we didn't have the ability to build it. Somebody else built it. It's some lost timeline and we just inherited it and then turned it into you know, something else. Yeah,

and it's it's similar right to the Great Pyramid, because there were lots of things right, you know, like we supposedly built all the other pyramids to you know, to mirror what we inherited in the Great Pyramid. But there was never a tomb or a body found, I don't think in the Great Pyramid. Last time heard, they still

haven't found anything. So it was clearly that it was for something else. Yeah, they just found something where they found it, like they did some sort of X ray but scan like that and found it. Oh yeah, they found more chambers yea. And the Sphinx too. Yeah, there's like a whole nother

several layers underneath the Sphinx and supposedly they are in the process of excavating that. Yeah, well and we'll we'll maybe hear more about it in the future. But you know that that's been a long time thought that I've heard from others is that the erosion on the Sphinx looks more like water erosion, wind and sand erosion, meaning

at one point in time it was underwater. Well, the last time the Sahara was underwater was like a million years ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I mean, yeah, that's uh, it's really interesting. So, yeah, I had not. The other thing is there's a so called Tartarian Empire, which I had never heard of before. Have you ever heard of

the Tartarian Empire? Mm hmmm, trying to think. Uh no, so supposedly did create Tartar sauce. I don't know if that's their claim to fame, uh fel so not. The Tartarian Empire was again supposedly this lost prior civilization. It's kind of a you know, pseudohistorical

idea that kind of circulates online and stuff. But I mean a lot of Graham Hancock stuff would be considered pseudohistorical. But he also makes a lot of great points about you know, these things that would have happened pre before the younger Drias. And in this case, the Tartarian Empire supposedly existed between the thirteenth and nineteenth centuries m within

like Central Asia, Siberia, Mongolia, Central Asia, and basically it was just this big empire for life a better word, that basically went extinct or was absorbed by other countries and cultures. And today we don't have any real or recognizable things that we can attribute back to the Tartarian Empire. So it's just again very interesting, this whole notion or

idea that there's these civilizations that are lost to history. Yeah, you know, so kind of jump into the twelfth century England. We have talked about this one before. I think we did it in our one of the episodes we talked about kind of the mystery mysterious stuff of Ireland. In England. But in the twelfth century England, in the village of Woolpit,

two children green tinted skin were found near a wolf trap. They wore unfamiliar with clothing, they spoke in an unknown language, and they refused all food except raw beans. Yeah, I remember this. The girl's story after she learned English that she came from a place called Saint Martin's Land where the sun

never fully rose. Everyone in her homeland had green skin. So again, was it like a dimensional shift, right, did they she? Was she a hulk or was she a hulk? Yeah? Well, what always interested me about this particular story is a lot of the stories that Keel provides about the

men in Black. He refers to them as having all of of skin. Yeah, yeah, so you know, with like sharp edge faces and slanted eyes. So maybe you know, Green's tinted skin here in this story is also you know, keels olive skin for the men in Black, and maybe they're somehow related or even born in the same Yeah,

super possible. And the idea that you know they lived in an area where the sun never fully rose really gives kind of call back to kind of that inner Earth, hollow Earth type theory, to kind of jump a little bit within that space The Smoky God. Are you familiar with this book?

Yes, I've read it? Okay, so published in nineteen oh eight. Think you had me read it? Yeah, sure, yeah, I mean it's a fantastic read. Yeah, it's really cool. But supposedly it's the true account of a Norwegian sailor

named Oloff Johnson, not not the Snowman, but all Off and his father supposedly were like sailing in the Northern Seas and sailed through an opening at the North Pole into the Hollow Earth, and they discovered a vast land with giant beans, advanced technology, and less vegetation. I want to be sure because we're talking about beans B E. A. N.

S in our previews story. These are not giant beans, but giant beings. Yeah, and this was written back in nineteen oh eight. I just looked it up. Yep. Yeah, published in nineteen oh eight. Correct. The lane was kind of a bit smoky, and it had a

central sun, and that was kind of the name of the story, the Smoky God. They lived there for a year, all Off his his his dad actually died on the journey back from Hollow Earth and then or sorry, two years. They lived here for two years. And the really interesting thing when they talk about how they like, so they

were sailing, you know, you imagine sail along and they hit the opening in their their boat like tip like it was going to fall down, but then like everything kind of shifted and what would have been a fall down is now a horizontal plane, if you will, right, and they just kind of sailed along and as like,

closer to the openings, the water was faster in its progression, but then as they moved further away from the opening, the water slowed down. Yeah, I mean it supposedly the oh off when he returned and no one would believe his story. He was actually committed to an asylum, and uh, they started to you know, everybody had dismissed his accounts

as fantasy. But I mean, it's it's a pretty amazing story. If you if you're listening, you've never read the book, I highly recommend it. It's a very interesting story. Yeah, I agree. I mean we you know, and that I don't. I didn't don't have a lot going into a lot of

stuff within Inner Earth and Hollow Earth because honestly, that could be its entire episode on just those stories. But I do think it's interesting because the mention of the you know, the sun never fully rose, that to me, in my mind, connected to the Smoky God, and so that's why I included it in the discussion. Then you

have really interesting thing with maps, so the you know, old world maps often show non existent countries there's like a country called High hy Brasilah, there's a country called Prisaia, probably pronouncing that wrong. Fi i A. There was, you know, a kind of advanced cartography of places we hadn't yet discovered, like an ice free Antarctica on some maps. That really

makes you wonder if these were just copies of even older maps dating back to a time when these places actually existed, or if it was somehow dimensional bleed through where a map from another timeline or a dimension somehow found its way into our dimension in our space time, and then they were referenced for maps in the world.

I mean, makes you really wonder, like even though obviously Columbus thought he was selling sailing to the Indies and when he found North America, it really makes you wonder if he was going off of some map that showed that there was this land, you know, out across the Atlantic. Yeah.

Yeah, then there is the forgotten European like settlers in pre Columbian North America. So these alleged settlements in the American South, reports of early European like people's fair skinned, often with blonde or red hair, inhabiting the Appalachians and the Ozarks, and even even the southeastern woodlands long before Columbus. Now we know, right, modern modern history knows that Columbus

did not discover the New World, right, we know that that. You know, Norwegian folks made the journey over to Newfoundland and then down across the river, you know, down down through the area, so they were they were visiting the New long long before Columbus came out here. I'm sorry if anybody who's listening is Italian and you're upset that

I made that statement. But you know, leif Ericson is mostly attributed with finding this country before Columbus, but I would imagine that even his ancestors probably sailed to explore as well. Yeah, so if these fair scan blonde or red hair inhabiting in these areas, it could have been a settlement of Norwegian folks because they tend to have

those types of features, right that again, we're living in these areas. But it's I've actually found in some books talking about a tribe of what they call white Indians, especially languages that didn't match any non indigenous dialects. They used metal tools, they had stone structures, and even some written symbols. They there's the whole idea that there's this

lost tribe of Israel. That's I think the basis for a lot of what Mormon is based Mormon. Yeah, Mormonism is based off of that. Somehow that lost tribe of Israel is in the North America area. But yeah, it really you know, again, how much of our history because it happened or occurred before we had written things down,

or how much of it occurred or happened that doesn't go along with the accepted, you know, story of our history that has been you know, suppressed or forgotten. Then there's the Prince Mattock of Wales, allegedly sailed west in eleven seventy. Legend holds he landed somewhere along the Gulf coast, possibly Alabama or or Florida, and supposedly established a colony

that later migrated inland up the Mississippi and into the Ohio River Valley. Hmmm, that's getting towards me. Yep, and me, I have a river valley is you know, that's Louisville, Ohio, Indiana. That's that's that area. Some think Maddox people to Some link Maddox people to the Mandan tribe,

known for lighter skin agricultural sophistication and unusual boats. You're resembling European coracles. Do you have the the Choctaw and Cherokee, which are also really heavily in the kind of you know, Appalachian area. Uh. Stories tell of a race of moon eyed people that were pale skinned, uh, sensitive to sunlight, lived in stone fortresses fortresses in the southern Appalachians, and

were driven out by native tribes, disappearing into caves or the mountains. Yep. White people, just man, they just can't stop. Moon eyed people sometimes associated with the Welsh settlers or even potentially survivors of Atlantis or lost race. Yeah, I'd love that that that term moon eyed. I'm

gonna say I am now moon eyed as. A moon eyed as as opposed to moonpied. Yeah, I've been moonpied before. Didn't feel good. Then we've got stone forts and anomalous structures in Georgia, Tennessee, and Alabama. Remnants of stone walls and forts and mounds not easily attributed to local tribes, uh, substructures pre date

known Cherokee or mis opinion, Mississippian cultures. Yeah, and then even some linguistic cues early settlers and missionaries recorded anomalous alphabets and inscriptions. Some claim to find Old World languages like Welsh, Hebrew, Latin carved into stone in caves or cliffs, and this is often cited by friends researchers as evidence of a pre Columbian contact from Europe or the Mediterranean. Yeah,

let's see, I think I've got one more that I wanted to talk about. Nope, that was it. So I do think it's interesting. Well, I think I made a note here, but I never got around to looking it up. But there's an interesting also connection between ketsikouadal of South American, you know, Middle Middle Central American tribes and the Samerian

gods like Inky Lil. Similarities between not necessarily their depictions, but just the things that are associated with them really makes you, you know, And people have always talked about how there are similar animals between you know, South America and Africa and obviously Pangaea. Once upon a time everything would have been connected, but that was millions and millions

of years ago, prior to move gone through several ice ages since then, so the likelihood that things would have survived across that great time span, So it really makes you wonder if there was you know, a hint hint at Atlanta's here, if there was some sort of a of a civilization between the two that facilitated trade and

also allowed for these you know, other European countries and things to sail west and and settle in the New World before it became the New World. Yeah. Absolutely, So that's that's really all I have as far as I mean, like I said, we could have gone into a lot more stuff within our Earth and outter and and and

even the so there's inner, inner Earth and hollow Earth. And if that's a topic that you all would like to hear, please drop a comment and let us know, because we definitely love that stuff, you know, we we we could definitely do that as an episode. But yeah, I mean it's still fascinating, and I'm curious for those

that are listening or watching, what are your thoughts. Do you think that there's some you know that some you know, one or more civilizations that have come and gone and we have no recorded history of them, but you know, they built these structures or or even built some of our more advanced architecture that we just inherited.

Crazy. Yeah, even even the the man from toward Uh, like there's a whole whole long story there, you know, like just there's so much incredible stuff that's just out there. But I wanted to mention this because I had looked this up as on that his name was, you know, John Ziegres, And apparently it says on August tenth, nineteen sixty,

the Tokyo District Court reviewed the case and sentenced him to one year in prison. After the announcement he tried to commit suicide but cutting his veins with a piece of glass secretly brought to him by to the court, like just some just craziness. Well, and that's that's the I think that's the debunking

route row, right, that's that's where they're saying that he tried to commit fraud, right then, Like they arrested this guy and he was trying to commit fraud and he was using. Oh yeah, that he was a spy for the American right, all kinds of stuff like that, And.

That's where the debunker side uses all of that to say, see, this is related to the man from Torret, so it must be that's what the story originates. From, right, right, it's just crazy man it's just it's just wild the stuff that's out there that existed in media, Like you know, it's not just like urban legend or

folklore or things like that. I mean, which it becomes that, but you know, this was like, this wasn't an urban legend. There literally was a guy that showed up right and had this passport from a country that doesn't exist. Yep. And just like we said, was that a dimensional shift

right right? Well? And you know, and we've also got you know, like we talked about before, we've got listeners stories that include dimensional you know aspects. You know, our friend David Parker out here in Arizona who has an amazing story of his experience with the Phoenix Lights. But he talked to

me one time. He said that he was like pulling up to like a shop or a store or something, and there was these snowmen looking figures that were standing outside of the shop and he could see them, and then all of a sudden, they turned sideways and they disappeared. Because they were basically like two dimensional where they were

when they were standing facing him, he could see them, but as soon as they turned sideways, they disappeared. And then there's the story of uh this the book The Art of Dreaming. Yeah, uh he you know he talks about encountering these weird like stick beings in the desert that just looked like rods that if they turned sideways

you couldn't see them. So you know, how much of you know, when we think about you know, two dimensional you know, for us, the shadow, not the character, but our shadow knows. But our shadow is a two dimensional thing, right, so in a way we also project into other dimensions in that regard. So right, so what what how you

know thinking about maybe entities within the two dimensional state they experience all these shadows walking around with them all the time. Kind of creepy if you think about it. So we have shadow people and they do too. Yep, they do too. That's just the dude playing a

dude playing another dude. So yeah, I mean, it's it's it's a fascinating Now. I do like a lot of Graham Hancock stuff, although a lot of Graham Hancock stuff basically is attributing that there were just you know, chrow magnum cave men before the younger dryas. But I actually just finished The Fourth

Mind by Whitley Streeper and he actually talks about more advanced, not necessarily like you know, fly in ships and stuff advanced, but just a more I guess modern advanced species that may have existed prior to the younger dryas that built some of these things, but that they lived differently. He talked about them like, you know, they had access to

all of these mental powers that we you know, talk about and hear about and seeing these ancient writings like telepathy and the ability to move things with your mind and the ability to actually move dimensional shift from one place to another using you know, your mind to do so. And so because of that, they wouldn't have needed all

the things that we've created. They wouldn't have needed cars and airplanes and boats because they could just project themselves right somewhere else. Yeah, why why would you bother with it? Right? Exactly? And so that's why we haven't really found any remnants of them, because they wouldn't have built all

the same structures that we have. Yeah, we've mentioned that before, that what if a lot of these ancient species used organic right materials? Right? Because we know the younger driest, we know that the ocean levels rose, and we have not explored very little if you know of our of our coastlines to see

you know what hidden treasures or city population centers or whatever maybe submerged one hundred feet below the water along the coastline. You know, we I think today we we we get into the folly of thinking that our coastline has always looked like this right now, but I mean in all actuality. You know, the Dimini Road is a

really good example right in the Bahamas, this kind of sloping looking road that is underwater, but it is clearly a road that's laid with stone. Yeah. So I mean to me, when I first saw it, I was like, that looks like a boat ramp. But

I mean maybe it was even just it went further down and it has just since been covered up with silt and sand. So you know, there's there's probably a lot of ancient civilizations that we have no knowledge of simply because what's left of them. Because they would have built on coastal cities just like we have. But our

coastal cities are much higher in elevation than there's would have been. Yeah, yeah, very interesting again I say very interesting. Yeah, I mean they know that there's a continent, you know, the hidden the little lost continent. We talked about it one of the shows before, and it was like underneath where India and things are now we know that, uh

what is now All the islands around, like New Zealand and Australia, they all used to be connected and had land bridges that connected them to the main continents. Yeah, yeah, I I fully expect that there is all kinds of stuff that we've lost that is just under the sea waiting to be found under the ski.

I was gonna do it, but I decided I was also thinking. Of SeaQuest, one of the greatest shows ever made. Show got a little weird when the clone showed up. But yeah, well you know you didn't. You didn't think the talking dolphin was weird.

No, that was cool. Okay, So all right, well let's go ahead and get out here. Josh, thank you so much for you know, doing all the research on that, and and and again, we could have spent two hours on more and more and more and more. Yeah. I mean, if we loop in hollow earth and interuts

and stuff, it just gets so much different dimensions, different dimensions and yeah, but you know, and like I said, we're happy to do that for a future episode. If you all want to hear it, let us know. Yep, all right, well, let's go ahead and get out of here. Next month, we got a really cool episode,

so I hope you guys tune in for that. It's our Halloween episode, but it's not like you know, Halloween ish, but it's still gonna be good. It's gonna be good. And just a little teaser. It involves a plane crash in Canada. Uh, and some folks that are investigating that and have gotten voices from the woods,

sasquatch stuff going on, entities watching them. It's good stuff. We're going to interview them on the show. Yep. Cool, it's gonna be cool. Oh man, all right, well, let's go ahead and get out of here. Thank you guys so much for tuning into the Shadows signal. My name is Stefan, reminding you to stay in the shadows

and listen for the signal. And this has been Josh. The truth is now Asta la vista baby Later