The Linda Napolitano Abduction

Welcome to the Shadow Signal, The Frequency of the Unknown. I'm Josh Rutledge. And I'm Stephan Gearhart. Together we dive deep into high strangeness, UFOs, cryptids, the paranormal psychic phenomenon, and the hidden truths that echo just beneath. The surface, somewhere between reality and myth lies The Signal.

Can you hear it? Tune in? The Shadow Signal is live and welcome, ladies and gentlemen to the first episode in our trilogy of paranormal podcasts, The Shadow Signal. I am your host, Stephan Gearhart, joined as always and welcome back Josh Rutledge. What's up, brother man?

It has been a long time since you and I have done a show together. I think over a year. I'm so stoked, not longer than that. Yeah, I'm stoked just to get back into the and yeah, just continue pick try to pick up a little bit where we

left off and just covert. And as you guys can tell, we've rebranded, We've reshifted, We've re evolved yet again from Fear Skate, from the Convergence Enigma with Josh and Stepanto now the Shadow Signal. Why why are we calling this the Shadow signal. Josh, Well, because it does seem like there's some sort

of an underlying purveyance of the phenomena that's just continuing to echo throughout space and time, and it does seem to attract people to it, you know, to want to learn more, to want to understand their experiences, almost like it's a beacon drawing them home exactly. And that's what I'm talking about, from spiritual stuff, from cryptids,

from paranormal hauntings to UFOs to just everything you can think of that hits that shadow signal. That's what we're touching on. That's what going to be. That's what got me excited to come back. Josh. Yeah, I'd like to think it's because you're gonna be working with me again, but you know.

So moving on, moving on. No, I am excited to work back with you, Josh, Like I'm excited had you know, I had a kid. She's three. She's asleep right now, so that works out really. Really good. I'm down in a basement in the middle of nowhere,

it feels like, but I'm just back in Kentucky, man, and you're out in Phoenix. We've switched, We've flipped the roles. We leap from it used to be ye and so yeah, you know I've been here now for three years. It'll be it'll be three years in like a week. Wow, up our move aversary so fantastic. Yeah, I'm I'm

happy to be back in Kentucky. Uh, being back around you know our mentor Keith Age, been talking to him quite a bit talking about ghosts and hauntings, and uh wanted to bring this up. You know, Uh, Henry Clay Building where you've done your investigation and got that really cool picture of the little boy in the skating rink

looking thing is being turned into apartments. Mm. Yeah, So so talk about a place that's going to be haunted as all get out. It's going to be the Henry Clay Building in Louisville, Kentucky. Uh, it's going to be now going to be a set of apartments.

So that's going to be very very interesting for those wonderful lucky folks that have no idea what they're moving into. You know, it really makes me wonder if if the folks that are doing that conversion are going to be happy about Bourbon Spirits, which is the show that Keith Age, you know, is working on. It's going to be hosted

on the YouTube channel here on another realm media, you know, because one of the episodes does feature that investigation at the Henry Clay So it'll be interesting. It's going to be very very interesting speaking of hauntings and and and things along those lines. Let's get into a little bit of uh, you know, going back and

and what did what are where? What do we call them? This? Uh? Interrupted transmissions? Let's do that interrupted transmissions? All right, so interrupted transmissions. I love this. This is kind of go back. This gives us an opportunity to

catch up anyways, kind of what what kind of happenings has happened in our lives since last week? Which has been a lot you know, I'm sure, yeah, three years, you know, whether it's whether it's haunted, uh you know, UFO sightings or the like or things like that. But personally, what are some things that have that have happened since

since our last episode of the Convergence Enigma. Yeah, which we kind of I think moved away from doing creepy ketchup, Yeah, started doing towards the end of the Convergence Enigma. So it's probably been you know, a year and a half or even two years since we shared some of our own experiences.

So you know, for me, a lot. Has happened in that two year period of time, and I can't cover at all, but I think i'll you know, kind of cover the highlights, the greatest hits, Yeah, greatest hits, and you know a couple of those. There's well, right now, right this moment in Arizona, there seems to be a

pretty heavy UFO flap happening. So yeah, yeah, I've been noticing that. Yeah, you know, I've I've got an all sky camera that I built using like a raspberry pie and in an astrological camera that takes photos of the night sky every night now during the day as well, and just

randomly perusing those images, I've come across where I've caught some some UFOs and things. So that's, you know, immediately happening in the now. But yeah, I've had some other things where I was using my thermal camera here in my house to just figure out like where we had heat loss. So I guess he so using it for

what it's yeah, using it for what it's for, right, And I took a picture in my daughter's room and upon you know, going back and looking at that, at that picture, there's obviously some sort of entity standing in front of the window. I went the very next amazing picture.

Yeah, the very next day under the same conditions and took a photo and it's not there. So it's definitely something, you know, anomalous. So but yeah, you know, just aside from that, a lot of you know, recently to Area fifty one with our good friend Sheen heard. That's amazing.

Represent I had a hitchhiker come back with me from Area fifty one. That's a cool experience. Now, please please let the people know that you don't mean a physical guy in the car hitchhiking. Now, this is this is a term I think first

kind of introduced with the Skinwalker Ranch folks, the idea that there is these you know, energies, entities, whatever you want to call them, that will attach themselves to people and follow them home. You know, and pretty much everybody who visits Skinwalker Ranch probably has has some experience with a hitchhiker, spirit or entity that has followed them back home.

You hear the same about people that go visit Waverley in Louisville. Yeah, exactly, there's something about you know, it's almost like, because you're intentionally looking for the phenomena, the phenomena sees you, almost like it's looking back at you, and it attaches itself to you. You know, mine that came back with

me because I do a lot of energy work to protect and shield myself all the time, thanks to your teachings as well as our good friend Santosh. I don't think it attached to me. I think it attached to my vehicle. But yeah, once I realized that it was here, I cleansed the house, I cleansed my vehicle, and it

hasn't really bothered me since. But some of the I guess side effects of knowing that it was here was that my family we were just like as soon as I got back from Ray fifty one, we were just NonStop at each other all the time, just angry, yelling, screaming, fighting. You know, I got two kids, they fight regardless, but.

This was more than that. You could tell it was intensified for some reason. I was also seeing shadows out of the corner of my eye and stuff, so I figured I'd probably brought something back, so did all the cleansing activities to take care of it. Cool man, you know, for me, might have been mostly

you know, haunted type things. I started working when I moved to Louisville and a senior living facility, and you know, I see, I've been seeing things frequently, I feel touches quite frequently. But the best one was I was coming around the corner where our memory care unit is, and out of the corner of my eye, standing next to

the door was this woman that was dressed kind of like Jackie Kennedy would dress like a hound's tooth, dressed like a pencil skirt and one of those pill pillbox hats, black hair, kind of in a bob And then I kind of did a full blink and turn and there was no one there, no one there, but clear as

day I could see this woman standing there, you know. And the building's only nine ten years old, you know, but I mean that could have been someone that passed on, and that's how they want to be seen, right exactly. So you know, we talked about this, but way back way back when we were doing you know, when the

show started as Fearscape, that sometimes spirits, we think, choose how they are seen or interacted with by by people, Like where you could see potentially a little girl and me looking at the same exact spirit could see someone, you know, a middle aged person because they can choose how they present themselves.

Yep. But yeah, that's that's mostly been my experience. Has been there at the facility, haven't had much at home, haven't seen a whole lot excuse me, in the sky. You know, I do miss that about being in Phoenix. It just seemed ripe, I guess because the sky is so big

out there. Yep. You know, the trees, you know, framing it in for you. That and you know, since I've got a three year old, I've usually in bed by eight thirty nine o'clock. No, I get that, especially when you have to get

up and drive to Worth the next day. So you know, I a similar thing, you know, I try to. I try to go out every night before I go to bed and look at the night sky, just because I don't want to lose the kind of whimsical notions of you know, space and just the awesomeness that is everything

that's around us all the time. I think sometimes we do fall into the valley of the mundane and forget to realize and recognize all the magical thumb things that happen all around us all the time. Yeah. So I'm actually going to look at the night sky tonight before I go to bed. We're recording this

on June first, and I'm in a prime viewing zone for the northern lights tonight. I saw a news article that Kentucky is well within the range to see it without a camera. That'll be cool and see if I can see it tonight before I go to bed. Are you going to try to Are you going to

try to video it? If I see something? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Well if you if you go out and uh, I'll tell you this. If you go out and anybody who's listening to this, you know, when it comes out there.

Like I said, there's kind of a UFO flap happening here in Arizona, and I've seen some accounts of other people witnessing it in other parts of the country, uh, in Iowa, Washington State. I even had my good friend who lives up in Indiana check it out and he was able to witness it as well from Indiana.

So the where to. Look is to the northwest at about three hundred and if you've got a compass and you look on your compass at around three hundred and sixteen degrees to the northwest, maybe ten or twenty degrees off the horizon, so you know, might be difficult with trees and stuff. But around two

and a half hours till around you know, well after midnight, well after one o'clock, two o'clock in the morning, there's the random lights that just kind of appear in the northwest and drift towards the east and then disappear. Weird, weird, So that's interesting. You know, if anybody who's listening to this when it

comes out, has you know, if you go out and take a look, I'd love to hear it in the comments if you've you know, had you've seen this, seen the stuff. So yeah, and uh, before we get into our main topic for tonight, I did want to briefly mention kind

of talk about kind of some spooky news so to speak. Is that's that's a running rampant right now in the UFO community. Is this dog whistle? Yeah, yeah, I wanted to talk about that for those you know, I know you know more about it than I do, so you know, if you're okay with that, amy to put you on

the spot about it, But talk about the dog whistle and how they can find that and and what it what it supposedly does, because what I saw was, Uh, I forget who posted it today there said it's one hundred percent every time. M yeah, it's It was introduced with UH there's a

show on YouTube. There's a whole channel actually called a Skywatcher, and uh, these are you know, if you've been in the UFO community or if you're not, and you're familiar with the person Jake Barber, who came out a couple of months ago, was supposedly, you know, as a part of a government track crash or retriever program. You know,

it was out retrieving UFOs and government kind of you know, skunk works types craft that would crash. And so. You know, Jake Barber came on the scene, his team came on the scene. And then now you know, a couple of months later, a Skywatcher has has kind of

come onto the scene consisting of a lot of the members of UH that interview of that crash retriever program, and they, uh, you know, first tease the idea of a psionics which is not to be confused with the camera, the night vision camera, but it is a person who does you know, kind of like a CE five type

situation where they go out, they meditate, and they try to connect with and attract these craft to wherever. They happen to be set up at. Then we learned a couple of weeks ago about or I guess when this comes out, maybe you know, a month and a half ago, that they also employ a

machine lure, if you will, called the UAP dog whistle, and it consists of five or so maybe six different tones that are kind of mixed together. So there's like, there's the seven point eighty three, which is the Schumann Residence, which is supposedly, you know, kind of the resonant frequency of the Earth. There is four hundred and thirty two megahertz,

which is often associated with, you know, kind of love and healing. There's five twenty eight, which is also associated love and he There are bursts at one point sorry seventeen killer hurts and two point five killer hurts that just kind of randomly, you know, kind of bursts in the sound file. Killer hurts obviously so high in frequency

that or I guess maybe low and frequency depends on how you look at it. We can't hear them, but they're supposedly when you play this file. Though, when you play these collection of sounds, it doesn't matter how loud you play them. You don't have to broadcast them, you know, in your home stereo system or whatever. The volume doesn't

matter because it's more about the frequencies that are produced in supposedly you know, like you said, a lot of people who go out and play these frequencies have then UAP sightings that they that they have, so the you can if you go and google UAP dog Whistle, it'll. Come up UH.

And there's a lot of different sites that have, you know, kind of created the code on a website where you can run it. I also have a website that I use for my LLC, which is for like UH mentorship and kind of mystical liaison if you will, and that is our Mystic journeys dot com. And I've got it

on there as well. If you want to go to our Mystic journeys dot com and you can play the UAP dog Whistle. But yeah, I actually was out, like I said, my friend, our friend Shane last night at his house, we played the UAP Dog Whistle and we got some hits. I mean, it does seem.

To work, which is interesting because I mean, good god, how many nights did we go out to Shane's and it's on nothing? Yeah, I mean, you know, I don't know if it's if it's actually the frequency that's doing you know, that's doing the work, or maybe just because your willingness to

accept that the frequency will produce so you keep citing that triggers some thing in your mind that you know previously you were skeptical or cynical about the process, but because your willingness to play the sound, that flips something in your mind that now, all of a sudden, this is possible.

So I don't know. I mean, we've both been big believers in that that tone, you know, using tones or a shadow signal so to speak. Well, yeah, look see what you did there. We're gonna even the CE five meditation has tones two of it, correct, Yeah.

Yeah, Stephen Greer supposedly has these tones that they captured when crop circles were being made right that you play as a part of the CE five app Last night, Funny Enough was with Shane. We played both tones. I played the UVAP dog whistle and he played the CE five tones. We played the same and again we got

some results. So we don't know really which one was the attractor, but it doesn't matter as long as you got results, right. So yep, that's right. Yeah. Somebody that I wish I could remember whose post I

saw that was talking about it. But they were like, maybe it's not allowing you to see UFOs as much as it's allowing them to finally see you. Maybe, And like I said, maybe it's that Maybe it's that mental, you know, spiritual mentality of it. Right.

You know, if you think about the X Men movie, when or after this was true in like comics and the cartoon series and stuff. But when Charles will put on the cerebral helmet and he would see all the you know, humans is like gray figures, and then he would see the mutants like red figures. I would imagine

that it's kind of like that, like we're all existing in this kind of gray existence. But then when we're willing to turn on the possible, we flipped that switch in our head. Now we become a red beacon if you will, amongst the gray, and like you said, maybe they can see us.

Then yeah, well, again it's not something I have experience yet but plan on experiencing. Yeah, so maybe when you go out to do the Aurora Borealis tonight, you could just you know, have it playing on your phone for while you're out there and see if you see anything unique.

Yeah, not a bad idea at all. Not a bad idea at all. And speaking of unique, let's get into our topic for tonight. The main stories. All right, So tonight we are talking about and I'm probably gonna butcher the last name. I'm gonna do my best,

but Linda Napolano. Napo Latano sounds okay, sounds good to. Me, and you know, uh, at the time when it happened, and I think probably still a claim to be one of the you know, strangest, uh, you know, kind of most important but also most controversial you'll abduction cases in history.

And it's recently kind of gotten a reboot because of a short docu series that. Was done on Netflix about it. Right, But yeah, so we'll. Go ahead and kind of jump into it. But a very very high level synopsis, okay. Is high level, high level.

A woman floats out of her twelfth story window in the middle of the night, no sound, no resistance, just a blue light from above. In the city. The city never stopped moving, but people nearby on the Brooklyn Bridge.

Saw it happen. Yep. I mean, now, ladies and gentlemen, you know as much as I know. So yeah, it's it's a very it's a very in case, I in preparation for this episode, I watched the Netflix event as well as doing you know, obviously a lot

of research into it, and I have, you know, my own opinions on some things, and and you know, towards the end of the show when we, you know, get to that stage. I want to kind of voice some of those opinions. But yeah, I mean, basically, you've got this person named,

like I said, Linda Nepali Nepolitano. She's Manhattan housewife of I think for a little while she had maybe a pseudonym of Courtil And so you know what started out was her and her husband went to the Cat Skills for you know, like a little getaway. And while she was in the Cat Skills, she has what she thinks

is this just crazy dream where she's flying over top, floating in the air, over top of the trees, and she goes kind of in taking aboard this craft and the next morning when she wakes up, she's got a bloody nose, and it's just, you know, doesn't want doesn't really know what to do about the whole thing. And

so she had started reading a book that Bud Hopkins at the time had written. Bud Hopkins, you know, really set a name for himself as this kind of core researcher of the alien abduction phenomena in a lot of circles. He's you know, put into the same you know circle as like people like John mack and and and others

that were also researching. He was the guy that did the past or the regression stuff on whit they striber right right. Exactly, and he's his his big I guess approach to every everything was let's get you into hypnotic state and let's figure out you know what the subconscious knows that

you know, it's blocking from your your your everyday life, right, and that that methodology has also that kind of has introduced a lot of controversy because of the people who don't put a lot of steak or credibility in hypnosis alone as a soul means of you know, evidence procurement. Right.

But she was so she read a little bit of this book from Bud Hopkins, and I think the book was Intruders. It was like his second book that he wrote, like eighty seven, I think. And she got a little ways into it, and so much of what she was reading in the book really resonated with her. I think

we've all been there, We've read some book on the topic and it just really resonates with you. Or all the books on yeah, or all the books, right. And so she closes the book and sits down and writes a letter to Bud Hopkins describing the event that had happened to her and the cat Skills.

You know, Bud gets the letter. He's intrigued, and he calls her to set up for her to come in because he's also in New York, for her to come in and do you know more of an in person interview about what it is that that had taken place in the Catskills. And you know,

from there they developed, you know, a friendship. You know, he's Bud was married at the time to an individual. I'm tory blanking on her name. I've got it here. We just want to know Carol. Carol is her name, and so Carol has a video camera, and so she just starts videoing all these different interviews and things like that.

And so this is where a lot of the I guess footage from the UH interviews of Linda and other things really comes from is from Carol Bean present in a lot of the sessions that were had with Bud Hopkins. So the. Well, first of all, did you this happened in eighty nine?

Did you hear anything about this? And eighty I mean I was eleven, I was ten. I mean I don't. I was busy. Watching the New Batman movie in Ghostbusters too. Yeah, I mean I I don't. I think that for me. My foray into the unknown really didn't happen until I

was in high school. And really that was because of the X Files. Yeah, when I really started to get into it. Yeah, ufo stuff. I think the first real case that I remember hearing was the Phoenix Lights. Phoenix Lights, Yeah, which that was we were seniors in

high school, you know when that happened. But yeah, I mean so I don't remember anything about this story. But it's really interesting when you watch the Netflix UH series on it, they have a lot of footage that was obtained from I guess they went on like you know, Maury Povich, and they went on you know those types

of shows, some based in New York, some more national. They were on Oprah talking about it. So, I mean it was a it was a pretty big kind of headline, if you will. For so, Linda and Bud are talking about her cat Skills case. And then one day Linda calls Bud and says and she's like, you know, disturbed,

She's kind of freaking out on the phone and says, I think they took me last night. So this is amazing because in the in the first in the first situation, the cat skills, it's remote, right, there's cabins spread across the countryside, but it's it's not densely populated like downtown Manhattan. And so for their for them to have taken her

the previous night, you know, she lives in a high rise apartment building. There's just a lot of you know, buds and meat response was like there had to have been people who saw this happened. I mean, it's not Vegas, but it's still a city that doesn't sleep exactly well.

And apparently her building is really close to the Brooklyn Bridge, and so you would have had all that, you know, bridge traffic that was going by, so on and so forth. So kind of the synopsis of the event that happened in Manhattan. This is the one that you know, kind of made the case, if you will, for everything is

on November thirtieth, nineteen eighty nine. Linda's account was that she went to bed, she was kind of woken up, and something floated her out of her bedroom window in a blue beam of light. She recalled that she kind of felt paralyzed again. She was on the twelfth floor of her building. She was floated up into the sky

and went into this craft. So she describes the what she went into in this craft was like she was flying into lava. Oh, it was that kind of you know, really, I guess molten type feeling that you know, of this substance that she was flying into. I'd like to have taken a side and just point out that a lot

of people talk about these craft sometimes appearing to drip molten material as they kind of move around. Our good friend David Parker here in Phoenix, who witnessed really close the Phoenix lights, he also described as seeing the one of the crafts dripping this kind of molten magma lava type stuff from.

It's interesting my you know, my experience. I remember the walls seemed wet, organic, and then even in the end, which I know listeners you don't oh my story yet because I still haven't shared it, but there was a point where there was like a member. It was like a wall. I said, it looked like a waterfall or

something something along those lines, but I couldn't piece it together. I wonder if that's similar. Yeah, you know, it's also I think worth noting that when you're and this is where I guess the hypnotic regression piece comes into play, because when you're recalling memory, whether it be hypnotic regression or just memory of something

you know that you dreamt about last night or even something that you experienced last week, the brain processes things in weird ways. And so you know, not discounting her story, you know, because only she experienced it, and I can't I'm not in a not in a possibility or a place to be able to say one thing is true

versus another. But I think sometimes that what we perceive and how how our brains process what we're seeing is it. It describes the closest thing we can think of multipla but who knows what it you know, what it actually could have been. So yeah, whipped, whipped topping, Yeah, whip.

So anyways, Uh, then the really you know, we'll show she's on board the craft, uh, you know, having gone through this kind of lava stuff with three gray beings. Uh, and they take a very long needle and they insert it into her abdomen and so uh then she you know, finds herself the next day she wakes up, uh, and

again she's got kind of this bloody nose. So some of the h and we'll get to that. There's another piece of that bloody nose piece that we'll get to in a little bit. But some of the you know, kind of alleged witnesses that happened to have seen this were supposedly to security agents. Dane and Richard was the

names ascribed to them, but they were never they never came public, so we don't really know, you know, what their true names were. But they were supposedly escorting. A UN. The Secretary General of the UN, and saw this woman being floated out of her apartment building.

That's what I was going to ask, So what did they see? So basically, so they saw from the bridge, from the Brooklyn Bridge, her floating out of her building and up into the sky, up into a light in the sky. And so what was really interesting I thought was that

kind of out of the woodwork, there was a preponderance, if you will, of witnesses that came forward saying that they saw something similar, a total of twenty three witnesses. Jeez. But here's the catch. Of those twenty three witnesses, none of them have ever been their real names have never been publicly made available,

and they've never been verified. At some point in time, the UN Secretary General was asked about the case, and it was Javier Perez d Coular, probably saying that wrong, but he he he didn't acknowledge the case, but he didn't dismiss the case. He just refused to answer. So it's kind of like one of the situations where, you know,

is pleading the fifth even though in the court system not an admission of guilt, and the public eye, you know, is pleading the fifth. An admission of guilt. So is refusing to say no to a question, uh, kind of the same thing as saying yes to it,

right exactly. So I mentioned about the blood coming out nose, both in the in the Catskills event as well as in the Manhattan event. So she started looking at these pictures of herself with her son, and she noticed in all these pictures that her nose look crooked, and she was like, I've never had a crooked nose, you know,

I don't know what's going on. So then she started looking at it closely, and she noticed that there was like a lump on the side of her nose, kind of in the middle of her nose, up near her you know, in like the nasal cavity area. Flash back to Total recall Man.

Yeah, really, And so she she goes to the doctor to find out, you know, what's going on. The doctor takes a look up inside of her nose and he's like, you've had no surgery because there's a scar inside your nose. And she's like, well, maybe I've just scratched it, you know, digging for gold, and he says, no, it's definitely, you know,

a scar made by a scalpel. So they do an X ray and there is some obtrusion up in her nose on this X ray. So she sends all this to Bud Hopkins and you know, I think for Bud where you know, he is really based you know, starting out as an artist and then you know it was

never really a trained scientist. He kind of self taught, if you will, to become this investigator and scientist. And so for him, I think, you know, he's looking for the case that is good, is going to blow the lid off this thing, and so he sees this in Linda's case and his wife at the time, Carol Rainey,

she later wrote an article about the very unscientific approaches that Bud would take to his investigations, and so that's where that's kind of the controversy of this whole thing is that. Yeah, Bud has become very controversial over the years. Yeah, but you know that that he did not really

although he ascribed to be a self taught scientist, he didn't really follow the scientific method. Uh. You know. He he exhibited confirmation bias quite a bit and just you know, would ignore inconsistencies and testimony and data if

they didn't support you know, his his theories. And so you know, it's kind of this brings me to kind of my first thought and inside here is that again, Linda has not you know, I wasn't there. I don't know her experience, and so I don't want to discount it. But I think that because Bud saw an opportunity here

for Linda's case to really solidify him and his theories and all these things that he was putting out and espousing, that he may have you know, uh, ignored some evidence that would have been you know, in contradiction to some of the things that Linda was saying. You know, there's kro Rainy in her article. She you know, she accused

him directly of leading witnesses right as as a as a mofon field investigator. It's something that I go, you know, when I went through my training, they really talk a lot about you know, don't ask questions like so you went into the craft and then what did you see right, because you're you're you're leading the witness But I could,

I could certainly see, and I have seen in some of the recordings and things of Bud in the interviews that he conducted, that is certainly was his approach. So, you know, it's it's often you know, I wonder if you know, let's say, you know, you had an experience that you really you thought could change the nature of

how humans view ourselves or reality. Right, how far would you go to prove that truth? Would you? You know, would you do you think you would maybe lead witnesses or uh, you know, would you also exhibit confirmation bias? I know that I find myself having to

catch myself that I am do it at times. For sure, especially if you've had your own experiences, right, And you know, one of the things we've talked about the on you know, previous episodes of the podcast is is that I think a. Lot of people in the community have their own theories

about what the phenomenon is, and they accept evidence that support that theory and they deny evidence that doesn't. And so even within our own community, some of the top names. In our community even. Have that confirmation bias that they apply and aren't willing to examine, you know, how this new information could evolve

or change their theories in a different way. Yeah. So basically, you know, you've got Linda had the situation where she floated out of her house. These twenty three plus supposed witnesses experienced it. Linda was regressed, and during her regression, a lot of the information that she had given about her case was confirmed in her regression an additional information

as well that supported buds assertion that this was a part of some bigger hybridization program. You know. That's that's really Buds also claim to fame, is that a lot of abductions, especially of women, some of men as well. We covered love and saucers, you know, on

our previous episodes where these you know, people are taken and either you know, ovum are collected or sperm is collected, and there's some sort of a greater effort to you know, produce a hybridization race between you know, alien and human for some for some means that you know, is beyond our understanding at the moment. And I don't know, I

mean that very well could be true as well. You know, what we what we understand and how we understand about the human genome is relatively limited. Yeah, you know, the the thing I was thinking about is this, if I would have woken up remembering that someone shoved a big needle into my abdomen, that I

would be looking for a needle mark. Right, Yeah, And I I think, I don't know, you're gonna put me on the spot. I think I saw that she did have a puncture mark on her stomach. But I'll have to go back and look that up, and maybe I can add a little comment or something

after the episode comes out for if I was able to find the information. I do, Like I said, I recall the bloody nose and the finding the thing that was in her nose, but I can't remember if she actually had a picture of a puncture wound on her stomach, but you know, she did at one point in time.

Several weeks months later after the Manhattan event, she had another similar situation where the beings returned. This time, when she came back or whatever, or woke up, you know, came out of her situation, her trance or whatever it was, she went into the hallway and she found her family all standing in the hallway, and they also had nose bleeds.

That would creep me out. You know. And there's there's been a lot of other We've talked to other people, right, you know, Kathleen Martin, Andrea Parrin and others that talk about kind of a generational aspect to abduction or contact. So you know, it makes me

wonder if that was the first time her family had actually been involved in the abduction or just the one time that she happened to catch you know, catch them or. See the result. So yeah, but you know, it, like I said, it does there is support for us. You know, John Mack

found that there was you know a lot of times these repeat experiences across these generations, and so you know, is it because they're targeting them for their genetic makeup, is because you know some other aspects that we don't understand, But it's just it's really it's an interesting part of the puzzle that I think oftentimes goes overlooked.

Right, I gotta I got a. Question for you, Uh, just out of curiosity. Do you think that because you've had you know, again people don't know your story, but you've had an abduction experience, do you think it follows your generational lines? Yeah, you know, I wonder about that myself. I was

just thinking about that, wondering goes back, you know. Uh, in some ways I feel like I don't know about abduction as much as like I know, some spiritual gifts and things like that definitely go back generationally. But then I wonder, what about my daughter is you know that that makes me fear for her, you know, like as

something going to happen or or I don't know. That's a tough question, you know. Yeah, and it's especially because our parents generation boomers, they don't like to talk about this stuff. Yeah, but I know that they've had it. You know. I know that they've had because there have been people

who have come forward from their generations. So yeah, it's been like you said, it's they have held on quite firmly to the to the taboo associated to the topic. Right. But yeah, I mean because you've mentioned I think that your grandma also had a lot of different psychic gifts

and things. Ye, my gramma, Carol and my dad. And we've talked about you know also in previous episodes of the show that maybe you know, the fairies and the gnomes and the dwarves of the seventeen and sixteen hundreds are the extraterrestrials of today, right, so you know,

things that people may be a described as the ability to see gnomes is the same ability to see grays. Right. So, so, as I mentioned in the beginning, there was there is rather a Manhattan Alien abduction Netflix docusaries. It's three episodes long, each one about forty five minutes and

it kind of put Linda in her story, back into the spotlight Carol Rainey. Uh. If you recall, remember Carol is the husband or. The wife of Bud Hopkins. She's featured in the documentaries as well, and she challenges

pretty heavily Linda's credibility throughout the whole documentary. Interesting, which caused Linda to sue Netflix for defamation. Interesting. I guess Linda was told that Carol was going to be in the film, but she wasn't told at you know, to what extent Carol is going to be used to basically serve as the you know, kind of cynics view of

Linda's story. Right. So, yeah, Linda, like I said, is sue Netflix for defamation. And I don't. I don't think that case has been resolved yet, but I think that there's pretty much a pretty you know,

public split on uh, their acceptance or belief of the case. You know, some people, like with all abduction cases, there are some people who believe, you know, that it's that it happened and it's legitimate, and there are some people who don't. I also found that for a lot of people who have been abductees, they're more likely to believe

other abductees. Uh, and those who have never been an abductee or or at least they don't know if they've been an abductee or not, are less likely to believe it. So yeah, but yeah, it's uh, it's it's a very interesting case. And if true, I think really just uh kind of echoes the idea that you know, the only

the only limitations, that the only perceived limitations that e t or aliens have are those that we apply to them, because apparently they can go anywhere, be anywhere, you know, take you from anywhere, even Manhattan, even Manhattan, right, So, you know, I don't know the you know, the the fact that Bud was was really looking really hard for

you know, Linda to be his smoking gun. You know how much of that played into the public reception of Linda's case. But even you know, one of the things that we always talk about when it comes to these kind of older cases is that Linda has to this day never changed her tune. She's never changed her story.

It hasn't fluctuated, it's always been the same. And so it really makes you I think from that regard, you know, she she could have remembered things differently over the last forty or fifty years, but she hasn't. Yeah, and so you know that to me gives it were precedents because you know, myself, my own memory that I had in

August of twenty nineteen, asked to remember every aspect of it in exact clarity as if it happened yesterday. Yeah. Yeah, So I. Don't know, you know, I'm interested to see, you know, listeners of viewers, what are your thoughts. You know, do

you think Linda was abducted, you know where she adducted in the Catskills, which she adducted in Manhattan? You know, was her family targeted? You know, is she continuing to be abducted? Yeah, just not sharing stories, yep. But yeah, I'd love to hear, you know, drop a comment,

find us on the socials, drop a comment. We'd love to hear about it. It's it's just a very interesting case, just like every other abduction case. I mean, there's just talking to Shane about this yesterday. Other than the fact that happened in Manhattan, this is not unlike a lot of other abduction cases. In fact, this is pretty consistent

with a lot of other abduction cases. So there seems to be an m O if you will for abduction cases. And yeah, and if you were an abductee, uh and you're you know, not you Steffan, but you know a listener. We're an abductee. I'd love to hear you know, your perspective on the whole abduction phenomenon as well.

Yeah, and you can reach out to us. You can always email us. What's the new email address. The Shadows Signal Podcast at gmail dot com. So you can email us there, tell us your story. We always are always down to hear it, you know, we always share those tales from the Fear Escape if

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I'd love love to hear about it. A couple of stars, a couple of well more than a couple, I'd like you know, five would be grand. Four five would be grand, four. Would be acceptable. Anything less than three just keep that opinion to yourself.

But so thank you, Josh for doing the research on that. And uh, you know, as usual, if we could ever figure out a way to get her on the show, I'd love to interview her herself, you know, So if you're listening, you know, you know, let us know that you'd be interested.

Yeah, I mean, I, like I said repeatedly when conveying the research that I found, I mean I I don't distrust your opinion or whatever on the topic. Again, it's your experience, and who am I to say that it didn't happen, it's right, So I'd love to hear you know, yeah, your opinion, your direct opinion of what it is and

what it means to you. Yep. So this is a little a little bit of the taste of what's in store for the next season, you know, a shadow signal. We're going to be hitting it from alien abductions to hauntings. You know, we're going back to

our roots. In a way. We're going to be hitting it. And before we sign off, Josh, I did want to mention one person who I wanted to dedicate the the episode two is a good friend of ours that passed recently, Earl Gray, and just wanted

to give a shout out to him. Good friend, he was on, he was. On our show. It was before check to that episode. Fantastic interviewer, fantastic person. And I was talking to somebody today about a Moufon case and the person lives in California,

and I was telling him to go check out the California chapter of Moufon and I wanted to say and last around about Earl Gray, and then it hit me and I remembered that. He he was gone. So I was a little bit sad in the moment,

but yeah, Earl is a fantastic person and fantastic investigator and he has definitely missed yep. So I just wanted to give a shout out to him. Always will be an inspiration to us. Yep. So all right, well, thank you all for so much

for tuning in again, love to hear comments, likes to find us on the Socials, the Shadow Signal podcast. And until next time, This is Josh. The truth is now. And this has been Stepan for now. Keep your eyes on the skies, see later, folks. By everybody,