Tales from Disclosure: The FBI Files

Welcome to the Shadow Signal, the Frequency of the Unknown. I'm Josh Rutledge. And I'm Stephen Gearhart. Together we dive deep into high strangeness, UFOs, cryptids, the paranormal psychic phenomenon, and the hidden truths that echo just beneath the. Surface, somewhere between reality and myth lies The Signal. Can

you hear it? Tune in? The Shadow Signal is live. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen to another fantastically spooky episode of The Shadows Signal. I am your host, Stephan Gearhart, joined as always by my spooky friend, mister Josh Rutledge. How are you this week, Bud?

I'm doing fantastic man. You know, it's starting to warm up here in the Phoenix, Arizona area, and that's scary for the first year since I've been here, Like, it's not really bothering me, so oh good good. In fact, there are some days when it's like the highs in the seventies and everybody's cold.

So yeah, yep, we've got We've actually had a real spring in Kentucky this year. It didn't jump straight to summer like it did last year. We've had a lot of sixty and seventy degree days. Today was hot. I mean it was seventy seven at ten am, so

it's going to be a warm one today. So what be like a sixty seventy we're old. Yeah, that's all right. We take you know, our parents did the same. They took what we thought was cool, they started using it and then it became not cool. Yep, yep. So we're just carrying on the flag making things not cool.

That's right. Let me see anything else. Oh, I had a birthday recently that was fun. Yeah, yep, full rotation around around the sun. I love birthdays. It's like the one day a year you're allowed to celebrate yourself.

You know. Yeah, So that was fun. Doesn't stop you from trying other days of the year. No, not at all. My brother was like, happy birthday. I put it on our family check because I know you liked the attention. Also,

big shout out to my little brother Dustin, who lives in Belgium. He just had his second child yesterday, Sophie Elizabeth, and she is adorable. Was he in labor very long? He was? He was in labor for nine and a half months. Wow, yeah, like I mean months. He was in labor.

Wow. Yeah, his wife she was all right though, she did good. Yeah, it's good to hear. Yeah, congratulations Dustin second. Yeah, awesome man. All right, well, let's get crack a lacking before we get into our main topic on all that stuff. Let's

get into psychic word of the week. Oh oh, Psychic Word of the Week is brought to you by the Encyclopedic Psychic Dictionary by June G. Bletzer, PhD. That's doctor Bletzer to you. Rest in peace, honeybear. I never met you, but I sure feel like I know you. So I flipped through the pages. I wanted to go

towards the middle. I ended up on page five. Oh one, Josh, that's six if you add those bad boys together. And not also like that that group of stormtrooper. Oh yeah, the first Yep stormtroopers, Yep, they always miss Uh. So the phrase that I landed on this time.

Is very interesting to the To all of us that listen, I think we've all experienced. This is psychic experience during sleep. Psychic experience during sleep says to perceive awareness employing any of the five psychic senses during sleep in between the RAM state in a lower state of consciousness than the

dream state. Experience is like any daytime psychic experience perceived in a vision, voice, utterance, feelings, hunches, et cetera. Following characteristics distinguish it from a dream. However, First, it's easy to recall leaving an impression on the sleeper sometimes for years. Two is vivid, clear even to details. Three, authenticity of each object to the time period of the scene. Four

comes during the lower alpha and theta state of sleep without paralysis of the body, So that's important. Without paralysis, so sleep paralysis is not a part something different. And number five to be interpreted as is or symbolically as any psychic message and not interpreted as a dream is interpreted.

So it's kind of interesting. Yeah, I mean I always refer to that space as the you know, the space between sleep and awake. See, yeah, there you go. It was wicked. Yeah, now we're gonna get not monetized for this episode anyways, uh not. But yeah, I've definitely

had and in fact I think that my some of my strongest like experiences are in that kind of in between the state. I have to agree, I think I I think so too. You know, it's I almost wish Santosh was here to ask him if that would be the same as a

meditative when you're in true meditation mode, like in that trance state, you know, considered. And what's really interesting to me is the call out around sleep or sleep paralysis, because you know, I've done about half of the Gateway Experience by Robert Moureau, and I've gone to the point where I've kind of programmed

some states into my body Mainland, Connecticut and Iowa and oh man, I'm totally just dry on the humor today anyways. But when I go into those like when I when I employ those states to before going to sleep, my body goes into a like a sleep paralysis type state where it's like it becomes completely dormant in a sleep,

but my mind is fully active and awake. And then I, you know, then I try to slip into that in between state on purpose. But for me, sleep paralysis is not a negative. It's see. I would say it's not sleep paralysis because in sleep paralysis you can't move.

I think in the state you're in, if you chose to move, you could move. Yeah, I would say it's more like a hypnotic state when you're in hypnosis, if you really wanted to move you could, yeah, or like you're being suggested not to. Yeah, I think yeah, yeah, I just think so. I just

know sleep paralysis you can't move like your body. You have no control over your body. It is just dead to the world, Whereas in this state, I think if you wanted to move, you could move. Okay, that's mine, but that's my opinion. I am no doctor. I'm no doctor. Junej blets her.

Yeah, we'll have to see if we can get her on the Luigi board sometime and get yeah, because we have a bunch of question Yeah, a bunch of questions. But no, I mean it's a yeah, it's a fascinating not to drag this out too too far, but I mean it's a and it's it's relevant for me because

just before starting to record this, I had a conversation with my wife about sleep paralysis. So it's ironic and it came up. Yeah, very cool. Thank you for that, Stefan. Yeah, no problem. All right, Well let's move on. I think I'm not sure if you have one, but I know I have one. Let's move into interrupted interrupted in

transmissions transmissions transmision interrupted transmission. All right, so interrupted transmissions. This is where we kind of talk about, you know, things that have happened to us that are spooky or weird or things since the last time we talked. So I had a really interesting dream. I was at a family reunion and everyone was the

age they are now, so that means people that had passed weren't there. Yeah, And at one point I look over and sitting on a chair as my grandmother, who had passed a long time ago, and I miss her more than anybody, and she was there and I was like, guys, do you guys see Grandma? And everybody's like, Grandma's not here,

and she's like, no, I'm only here for you. You're the only one that can see me. And like I knew she was a ghost, and she was just being goofy and funny and gave me this big old hug and all this stuff, and she's like, yeah, I'm here. I want to see everybody, but I really just wanted to

let you know that I miss you, you know. And then I was crying because I was like, I miss you so much. I've got so much going on. I just I wish you could have met Hazel and she's like, of course I see her every day, just all kinds of stuff like that, And she was acting goofy and

just like she always used to, and it just, I don't know, it meant it meant the world to me when. I woke up. So have you do you watch the uh so first of Fault? It's very cool, very cool. Uh In relation to that, do you watch the US version of Ghosts?

Yes? I watch them both. Uh So you know this character Sass, his ghost power is that he can get into your dreams. Yeah. I wonder if your grandma has a ghost power where she can go into your dreams.

That'd be cool. That'd be cool. That's the first time I've I mean, it's not the first time I've dreamed. About her, but it's the first you interacted with her. Interacted like that where she was like, yeah, I'm a ghost. Yeah pretty cool.

So yeah, I thought that was really interesting. Did you when you woke up from it, did you, you know, kind of retain any type of emotional feelings from it other than obviously probably a longing for her, But. Yeah I did. I felt good and I felt not as guilty for

having Hazel so late in life. So very good. So a little bit of healing there too, yeah, a little bit. Well. I also had something occurred to me, or happened to me a few nights ago, like maybe five or so nights ago. I was I had tuned into Dave Scott's Spaced Out radio. There was a guy

on there talking about his interactions with Nhi. And you know, it's hard for me. This is probably like something I should talk about therapist about, but it's hard for me to listen to other people's accounts of their experiences with the phenomena and not put on my investigator hat. Sure.

So but I was listening to this guy and I was like, ah, you know, yeah, yeah, you're looking at stuff. It's close to sunset. Yeah, they could be satellites. Like I was kind of dismissive, right, And so I stayed. I listened for about thirty minutes or so, and then I I disconnected and decided I was going to go

to bed. So I walked outside with my dog Luna, you know, look at the stars before I go to bed, which I try to do just about every night. And as I was standing there just kind of looking at the stars, I was still thinking about this guy and his experiences and just kind of being dismissive. And it's

funny because I even saw some satellites in the sky. I was like, oh, those are curly satellites. And then out of the corner of my I saw this flash of light. Now, some times, like in the edge of my glasses, I pick up light that's behind me, and so sometimes I just dismiss it. But this time I

snapped my head to the direction and I was like, Okay, if that was if that was real, do it again. And it did it again, and then it did it a lot more times, and it was just kind of zipping all around the sky in this one area. And then you know, right around the time that I was like,

it's probably just a plane with a strobe, it turned green and it did the same activity, almost like to say, aha, I see you being skeptical about me, so I'm gonna make it, you know, like I've never seen a plane's white strobe turn into a green strobe. But it was very erratic in its movement, just zip it around the sky,

and I tried to film it with my camera on my phone, but I couldn't really see what I was filming because I was standing there in the dark, so I don't think I haven't gone back to review it, but I don't think I actually got anything. So I was like, Well'm gonna run inside and get my night

vision real quick. But by the time I got that and got back outside, it had, you know, it was done playing around. So I stood there and kind of filmed the night sky a little bit more with my night vision just to see if he decided to come back. But no, that was it. So ultimately I decided to

go inside, you know, lock everything up, and go to bed. So I was laying in bed, I went to sleep, woke up. Was was awoken in the middle of the night sometime because my dog Luna was howling, which is something she never has done. Like we've had her for almost four years, she has never howled. But she was

howling and it woke both christenin and I up. I rolled over, she rolled over. I said something to her like I was like a Luna howling and she was like half awake. Calf was like, you know, in the in between state, and she just kind of was like what and I was like I'm mumbled something else, and

then we both went try to go back to sleep. While I was I was laying there, just about to fall back asleep, I heard not this is not like a clear audience thing like I heard with my actual ears, the sounds of like a clicking noise from in my room. And it was like that that clicking that you hear

in the movie Signs where they like hold the baby bit or up, you know, like the entities are talking or whatever. And what I was really proud of myself for is controlling my fear response because I shut it down. I did not I did not feel or or allowed myself to be afraid. I just laid there and listened.

But this time, because I wasn't afraid, I also opened my mind to reach out to anything that might be in the room. And I got a sense of just love and it like this like and then this overwhelmed. I mean, like the movie, you know, one of my favorite movies and you know this is Dark City, Yeah,

me too. And in the movie they go to sleep and people just fall asleep, and that's what I kind of heard in my mind is like just sleep. And then I just fell back asleep. But I mean I woke up with vividly remembering all of this stuff. That's fantastic.

So yeah, that was uh, you know, I maybe I had an alien, maybe whatever was interacting with me in the sky, decided to come down and pay me a physical visit. I don't know. Maybe that clicking is becoming popular. I mean, that Disclosure movie looks like it's going to

have a lot of the clicking langeagh. So and that's not the first time that I've heard that clicking kind of stuff before. So yeah, yeah, but yeah, that's that's pretty much the extent. I've had a few other things here and there, nothing to write home about, but that was a big one. That was like that

stuck with me. That's fantastic. Josh, thank you for sharing that, man. Yeah. All right, Well that's all the news have interrupted transmissions we've got. Then let's go ahead and move on to our main topic.

The main story. Our main topic is exciting this week, Josh, it's Tales from Disclosure. Why are we calling it tales from Disclosure? Well, so, in case you haven't seen, the US government just released like one hundred and fifty eight files on

the Department of War website war dot gov slash ufo if you want to go check them. Out. Most of what's in there has been released in other ways in the past. But when I was going through the documents to see what was there, I came across there's like a ten or eleven different groupings of documents that contain

letters that people, like when the UFO phenomena but just kind of ramping up in the US, that contain letters from people that they wrote to the FBI or just to the Department of State or whatever. And I thought it would be really fun to read through some of these experiences that people were having early on in you know,

kind of a UFO before they got outbreak, before they got swamp and you know, this is before this before satellites were in the sky. Like it to me, these accounts hold much more weight than the accounts of today because there's less that they could have been explained away with, right right, because there was this left stuff generally in

the sky, you know, kind of like the the airships thing of the late eighteen hundreds. You know, they're just there's not as much going on in the sky that could you could say, well that could be bah, you know, unless you're j ling heinenk and you can say it's swamp. Gass or the light reflecting off of Venus.

Yeah, like, what's that really famous one? Was it called like the black Night satellite or something that that's a really famous one. Yep, that was there before. Satellites, right, you know, and that's you know, it's possible that that's some sort of debris from asteroid or whatever

floating around. Sure, but it's obviously most of the time that stuff is not reflective. So yeah. Anyways, so I just thought it'd be fun to go through. I've got about six or so pulled up here that we can talk through that are kind of various times and full of a lot of great information. Cool, all right, So

kicking things off, I thought it would be fun because everybody knows the Kenneth Arnold experience, and for those that don't know, just briefly, Kenneth Arnold was really the guy who coined the phrase flying saucer. Yeah, he was in Washington and he was flying as his little plane in Washington and something like reflected light on his face and

he looked down to see these white objects flying over I think it was Mount Rainier in Washington, and uh and at some point during the interview process when he was telling the news media about it. He he said that they were like saucers, uh skipping across water. And so that's where the term flying saucer came from, which,

like going back to our conversation around Mothman not really being described as being like a mob. And you know, like, how how many how many potential UFO reports are dub flying saucer when they don't have a saucer shape, like, you know, having that common term in our language is probably a little bit of like it hinders us in

really understanding the phenomena because we automatically when you say flying saucer, people think disc right, I do, but you know, in Kenneth Arnold's case, it wasn't a disk. So anyways, So this is from Portland, Oregon, August twentieth, nineteen forty seven, and it was written to sorry. It was written by a individual who was a prospector at the time of

the Kenneth Arnold incident. It says sir so on the Portland paper a short time ago, in regards to an article to the so called flying disc having any basis of fact, I can say I am a prospector and was in uh something Adams district. I can't make out that it's typed. On June twenty fourth, the day Kenneth

Artol the Boise, Idaho, claims to see a formation of flying disc, and I saw the same flying objects at about the same time, having a telescope with me at the time, I can assure you they are real and nothing like them I ever saw before. They did not pass very high over where I was standing at the time,

probably one thousand feet. They were round about thirty feet in diameter, tapering sharply to a point in the head in an oval shape with a bright top surface. I did not hear any noise as you would from a plane, but there was an object in the tail end that looked like a big hand of a block, shifting from

side to side like a big magnet. Their speed, as far as I know, seemed to be greater than anything I ever saw. Last view I got of the objects. They were standing on edge banking in a cloud yours, respectively. S. F. M. Johnson, Portland, Oregon. Shure, I've never heard that. Yeah, that's crazy that there's somebody backing up.

Kenneth Arnold's claim from the ground. Yeah, I mean, that's that's pretty. I mean, you know, if this should be anytime somebody now talks about the Kenneth Artal case, they should include this. If they don't agree, yep. So all right, So let's go look at one from nineteen fifty eight April seventeenth, nineteen fifty eight from mister Robert Reynolds in Detroit, AH, MotorCity.

Baby says da Costa, that's a street name, fifteen eight oh one DaCosta, Detroit, Michigan. Provided his telephone number, which was only five days long. So of that, that's always fun to see. Don't call them, yeah, as a party line. I also like the word uses here. This just goes

back to a time when words were different. But it says that this person telephonically advised this office. I like that. Yeah. At four oh eight am today that he had just seen an object in the sky, described as a circular object with a crystal type dome that reflected lights.

He said this object was passing in a northern direction from southwest and across the city three blocks south of six mile at Lampfear Street. He advised that he attempted to call Selfridge Field to get in touch with the Air Force because his attempts were unproductive. He then called the office to furnish the above information. The gentleman said

he was twenty three years of age, he was the son of a Detroit policeman, and that he had previous experience with the Civil Air Patrol. However, he was not too familiar with the identification of aircraft. He stated he was on his way home from his employment in Detroit when he observed instant object.

Interesting. So southwest, that's Toledo, that's my hometownd. Yeah, it could have been coming from Totledu. I mean maybe maybe Chrysler was flying a drone over the General Motors plant to try to see, you know, what they were doing. I'm sure that's what it was. Yeah. Also,

what's truly interesting. I think this kind of goes back to the fact that so much this information has already been made available, this particular if a sheet was declassified in two thousand and seven. So thanks, yeah. Thanks for nothing, all right, Looking here now to another

one in Detroit. This is in November seventh, nineteen fifty seven, so before that one, yep. So this is in response to a letter directed to mister Robert Cutler, Special Assistant to President Dwight D. Eisenhower, reflecting that he might have some information about the rocket in Texas. He was interviewed on November seventh, nineteen fifty seven, and furnished the following information.

Krasuski was brought from Poland as a prisoner of war to gutt Alt Colisseene, approximately thirty miles east of Berlin, Germany, in May nineteen forty two, where he remained until a few weeks after the end of World War Two. He spent the following years at displaced persons camps at Cork, Strasburg, Offenburg, Mindleheim, and Friedburg, Germany. He attended a radio technician school at

Friedburg and for about a year was employed in a textile mill at Larrachenbaden, Germany. Hey that was pretty good. Yeah, I'm pretty good with I mean, I took one year a German so you know. He arrived in the United States at New York May second, nineteen fifty one

via the s S. General Stuart as a displaced person destined to the Reverend Father Petro walloweak Hamatrak, Michigan. This is funny. His alien registration number was They blocked that out, but just the fact that he was given an alien registration number. So since May nineteen fifty one he has been employed at the Globel Brewery in Detroit. News report

of a mysterious vehicle in Texas causing engines to stall prompted him to communicate with the United States government concerning a similar phenomenon observed by him in nineteen forty four in the area of Alt Goldsmann. According to Prasowski, during nineteen forty four month, not recalled while en route to work in a field a short distance north of Golsene,

their tractor engines stalled on a road through a swamp area. No machinery, Yeah, that's what it is. No machinery or other vehicle was then visible, although a noise was heard, described as a high pitched wine similar to that produced by a large electric generator. An SS guard appeared and talked briefly with the German driver of the tractor, who

waited five to ten minutes, after which the noise stopped and the tractor engine was started normally. Approximately three hours later, in this same swamp area, but away from the road where the work crew was cutting hay. He for some reason, hay is in quotes. There is it they were cutting something else in Hayes anyways, syreptitiously because of the German

in charge of the crew and SS guards in the otherwise deserted area observed as circular enclosure approximately one hundred to one and fifty yards in diameter, protected from viewers by a tarpaulin type wall approximately fifty feet high, from which a vehicle was observed to slowly rise vertically to a height sufficient to clear the wall, and then to

move slowly horizontally a short distance out of his view, which was obstructed by nearby trees. This vehicle, observed from approximately five hundred feet was described as circular in shape, seventy five to one hundred yards in diameter and about fourteen feet high, consisting of dark gray stationary top and bottom sections five to six feet high. The approximate three

foot middle section appeared to be rapidly moving component, producing a continuous blur similar to an aeroplane propeller, but extending the circumference of the vehicle so far as could be observed. The noise emanating from the vehicle was similar, but of somewhat lower pitch than the noise previously heard The engine of the tractor again stalled on this occasion, and no

effort was made by the German driver to start the engine until the noise stopped, after which the engine started normally. Uninsulated metal, possibly copper cables one and a half inch to two inches in diameter on the under of the surface of the ground in some places covered by water were observed on this in previous occasions, apparently running between

the enclosure and a small concrete column like structure between the road and the enclosure. This area was not visited by Krassowski and again until shortly after the end of World War II, when it was observed the cables had been removed and the previous locations of the concrete structure and the enclosure were covered by water. Krazowski stated he

has not been in communication since nineteen forty five with any of the work crew of the sixteen or eighteen men consisting of Russian, French and Polish POWs, who had discussed this incident among themselves many times. However, of these Krazowski was able to recall by name only Franciski eek Grabowski, no address known, described as then about fifty years of

age and presumed by Krasowski to have returned to Poland after nineteen forty five. Wow. So basically, to summarize, this guy is working on a pow camp. Tractor stalls when they hear a loud noise. Sometime later tractor is able to be restarted. Then sometime

later after that, they observe this odd dome shaped area off in the swamp, and a circular craft rises up from this dome shaped area and then flies away, And all along the ground underneath the water and the dirt are copper cables running outward from this crystal dome shaped facility as if it's some sort of a yeah, like

a launching pad and they need to draw the current from the ground or something around it. Yeah, which is which is crazy. I mean, that's that's an old thing that you don't hear much about anymore where. It's like cars stalling, Yeah, you know, And I don't know if that's just because

cars work differently than they used. To, but yeah, it's something that Yeah, it's something that I talk about like in my in my presentation that I've done for a move On and the Convergence Enigma, where I talk about my kind of theory around e m F.

I use the fact that, uh, we don't hear about car installing anymore. And you know, the reason for a car to stall from an em perspective would be that it stops the firings of the spark plugs, so you're not igniting the gas, so that causes the engine to stall out. But our cars are much more electronically dependent

now than they were then, so you would think you would hear about stall outs more. But I was also talking to somebody recently about the fact that, you know, when's the last time that you recall hearing about a case where people actually saw the craft up close. Yeah, it's been a long time.

Like it's probably the early eighties, late seventies, like this is the Rani's a Mori case or you know, Travis Walton, And so maybe it's a matter of proximity. You know, the craft don't get close enough to cause the engines to stall, which you know, for me, I draw for me, the possible possible conclusion is that the drivers of these

craft realize that their craft cause us physiological harm, right, and so they stay far enough away so as to not cause that harm, but to still operate with with whatever they have to do, you know, go get groceries or whatever. Taking our kids to day camp or whatever they're doing.

So yeah, taking their kids to day camp more than likely. But yeah, how nice of them, How nice of them? Yeah, I mean, you know, the insectoid species they probably what lay three thousand eggs a year or something. I mean, that's a lot of kids to shuttle around, a lot of kids, it is, it is.

But thinking of the craft there, I mean, you know, it's like it makes you wonder is that an alien craft? Or is it that bell craft that the Nazis had, you know, quote been working on. Yeah, you know, I was talking to somebody else the other day about the Nazi craft and you know, my

my opinion, and you know this is like my grandfather used to say, opinions or like buttholes. Every boddy has one. But my opinion is that most of what I've heard described about UFOs and what I've experienced and witness myself by UFOs is that they employ a level of physics that we don't understand yet, And the likelihood that we

would have been able to figure out that level of physics, I think is small. So I think that more than likely if the Nazis had UFOs, it was because they found them or they crashed. It was a crash retrieval situation, right, Sure, and they might have figured out how to turn it on, but and maybe even how to fly it. But I

don't think that humans have reached the intelligence level to be able to design what we experience as UFOs. I just don't think you completely everything would be reverse engineered. Yeah, I mean, yeah, we if we found onto crash when they could do all these things, then we can reverse engineer thing. Right, we can invent vel crow and

you know, the capacitor and microchip and all that kind of stuff. But whether or not we could actually create things that requires us to think about physics in a whole new way, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know either, So. All right, moving on. This is kind of a really

short one. This is a Western Union that was sent to the US Department of Justice on July sixth, nineteen forty seven. Man sent a telegram yep. This was it says, should I say the stop? You know?

But yeah, about twelve so called flying discs passed over Darlington, South Carolina, approximately five thirty pm to day A advise if wish details. JAYU watched Junior. Sure, She's like, OK, this is what's going on. Y'all know what's going on? What should I do? Yeah? This is like yeah, like you said, it's well

Western Union telegrams. You can only send so much anyway. It's like you can send a paragraph. So it's like a you know, when I was I mean that was the when I was in college, first time around at Campbellsville University in the Kentucky which I did not get a degree from because we had fallen out. But they

didn't see things my way. So when I was there, though, I didn't have a lot of money, and my family would give me. This is of course before the time of cell phones or right around the time when cell phones right around the time, and so my family would give me calling cards, but I would run out of

minutes and stuff. So I would call my family collect and in the mess it in the like part where you would record your name, I would just say, hey, this is Josh. Everything is fine. You don't have to accept this, and then sometimes they would accept it and talk to me, and sometimes they would not, and then

they would just get the little brief update message, you know, as a recorded, you know message instead of my name. So to me, that's kind of like what this is. It's like, I'm going to send you this little snippet and if you want to know more, accept the charges. Yeah, it's a tease. It's a tease almost, But he's

also like, I don't know what to do. Because he's all several yeah, twelve. Yeah. See. The one thing I wish we had in this bit of disclosure here is follow ups. You know, did they follow up with this guy? You know?

Was there an interview? Sometimes in some of these it does include if they like if they if the government responded, if they sent a letter back, but it doesn't often include like if they send a letter back and then the person responded to that letter, Like, it doesn't include that additional detail. Yeah. Also,

the other thing I'll say is throughout throughout these files there are references made by people to enclosed photographs, but none of those photographs were included in the drop of course. So moving on, We've got August thirteen, nineteen forty seven. This is in hack and Sack, New Jersey. Good old Hackensack.

Now what's amazing is I know where this is because my wife works for a company that's based in Hackensack. Nice, all right, So this is kind of a long account, has a couple of corroborating witnesses and things in it. This is a part of an interview that was conducted by the Field office for the FBI, and so it

says here Charles Cassilla Junior gives his address and Hackensack upon interview by a special agent Arthur F. Williams, excuse me of this division, stated that on August third, Sorry, the event was on August third. The letter as dated August thirteenth, August third, he had been standing with William Truex. True It's probably not the X is probably silent, so

true Truely, I don't know. A soldier stationed at Fort Dix observed a Ham radio rig atop a two story house in Simon's Avenue, Hackensack. It was approximately seven to forty five PM and they were in this vicinity for the purpose of meeting Truex's girlfriend, one Joyce mc farland. Any relation to Seth MacFarlane, I don't know. I don't know.

Maybe that's where Seth got his idea. Anyways, Trex commented to Casia that a child had apparently lost its balloon. Cassia looked in about a block or a block or a half block away noticed a round black object moving from south to north and east of the stop where he and Turex were standing. Cassia noticed that it was

moving too fast to be an ordinary balloon, but he could not discern whether it was globular in form or a disc. He said it was about thirty to forty inches in diameter, moving north in a horizontal plane, about two hundred yards above the top of the hill at Summit Avenue and Simon's Avenue. It proceeded at a steady rate,

emitted no rays, and was moving fast enough to require them to turn their heads steadily in order to follow it. Terrex's girlfriend came out about fifteen seconds after they first sighted it. They pointed it out to her, and she said that it looked like a bird on the horizon, so small it faded out of sight shortly thereafter. Cassias

said that a line drawn along its apparent course of flight would go from the vicinity of Bendex, New Jersey, to a point west of Westwood, New Jersey. Cassia also said that a man on the porch across the street also noticed it and pointed it out to the woman. Cassia said that this man seemed excited but did nothing

about it. I mean, that's how many of us have seen something and you just can't take your eyes off of it, and then after the fact you're like, oh, okay, I saw ufo. You know, like there's just like this all of a sudden, this weird melancholy about it. Cassias said that he was positive it was no optical illusion.

He was not facing into the sun and saw the object clearly. He also said that he would have thought nothing of it except for the speed at which it was traveling. Missus Joyce MacFarland, if you recall, this is the girlfriend gave her address. Upon interview by Special Agent Williams, stated that the event in question occurred at about seven

point thirty on the evening on Sunday, August third. She said that she was in the house when Cassia and Shrugs called to her. She went out immediately and they pointed out the object in question. She saw it just before it disappeared over the horizon, but she declared it was in view from that time for approximately one minute.

She said it was round and silver blue in color, and appeared to be revolving. She said that she did not recall making any comment that it might have been a bird, and herself had no idea of what it could be in view of the distance from which she noticed it. She said that it could not have been

more than six inches in diameter, but would have been much larger, she said, if she had near to it. Miss McFarlane said that she had never seen anything like it before. She said that across the street the Booths, a mother and daughter, were the only people sitting on the porch, and she herself did not notice anyone pointing

towards the object in question. The only other person around to her knowledge was Gloria Turex, sister of William Trex, who remained in the house and did not see the object at all. Miss Winfield, booth address provided, stated that she was on the porch of the evening in question with her mother, but did not notice any unusual object

in the sky, nor had any man been present there to point out the object in question. So that's interesting. We've got two people saying there was no man and two people saying there was a man. Was it a ghost? Was it a man in black? Not right? I mean who knows. The following information was received from TRUEX through

interview by Special Agent T. Howard Waldron. Private William A. TRUEX Company G second Battalion, forty seventh Infantry Regiment, ninth Division, Fort Dix, New Jersey advised. He was born April twelfth, nineteen thirty, in Jersey City, New Jersey, and completed eight and a half years of school wow. He was an early graduate. He enlisted in the United States Army on

May twenty, nineteen, nineteen forty seven. His mother is Miss Mead Bergen County, New Jersey. Stated that on August third, nineteen forty seven, at eight pm, he was standing outside the home of his girlfriend, Miss Joyce McFarlane in New Jersey, accompanied by Charles Casillia of to eighty seven Euclid Avenue, Hackensack, New Jersey, who was his sister's fiance. He said that

he and Casilla were looking at the radio antenna on a home near the address, and they noticed an object about two to three feet in damage. So now we've got all different varying sizes rapidly moving about two hundred yards off the ground. Shrek said he thought at first it was a child's balloon, but then he noticed there

was no wind and the object had no strings to it. Ain't no strings on me. He decided it was something else. He stated the object was moving in a steady, straight path going north, and he said there was no exhaust or indication of any motive power for the object. Drick said they observed the object for fifteen to twenty seconds.

He could not give a description of the object's color or material it was composed of, but said it looked more like a large, flat child's cup than anything else he could think of, so kind of bell shaped, Yeah, see the child's cup. He said that it was kind of oval on the top and came out to a

point on the bottom side. Trek said that Cassia stated, maybe it's a flying saucer. He said he had never seen anything move through the air quite like this object, and he had no idea where it came from. Trek stated that neither he nor Cassia had anything to drink, and there was sufficient light for them to observe the

object very clearly. The flying disk was reported by Cassia to Sergeant James perone of the Hagensack Police Department. Sergeant Peronne advised the writer that his department had taken no further action, nor had they received reports at the object in question from any other source. It maybe noted that no other police department in the vicinity was brought to

the attention of the division of this division or any information regarding this matter. Wow, so what we got There are four different witnesses each, or really three different witnesses the mother and daughter on the porch, so they didn't see anything, and all they were provided was contradictory statements around the potential excited man who was pointing at it too.

But yeah, I mean, this is this you know, as an investigator, this is where it gets difficult when you have groups of people providing eyewitness testimony. And I don't think it's necessarily because anybody's trying to deceive anybody. It's just we all experience and perceive things differently, differently when we have those experiences. You know, you and I have

talked about it. Sometimes even when it's like a paranormal experience, like a ghost, you might see it as an old man and I might see it as a little girl. I mean, it just you know, I think things sometimes appear to people differently. So yep, I agree, I agree, especially something like that.

I mean, we've come to believe that much of the phenomena is psychic related. Yeah, you know, even alien encounters and things like that. There's a mind bit. So all right, so I've got I've got one more for every bunny, Okay, all right, and then we'll wrap things up. So this is from Portland, Oregon, October sorry,

September thirteenth, nineteen forty seven. So we started with Portland and we wrapped up it. Rap. There we go. What's the day on that again? September thirteenth, nineteen forty seven. Nice. There are some records in here, by the way that you know, like I didn't pull

out to read today, but that pre date even World War two. Wow, that people were seeing things and reporting them, So, like, you know, I think something sometimes. Kenneth Arnold's account is was reported as being the first you know, UFO major UFO sighting, but I don't think that's the case. I mean, even even prior to Kenletarnald's Kenneth Arnold's account was there

was one in Phoenix, Arizona, where somebody observed or even photographed something. So sorry, Ken ooth Arnold, you are not the first, just like Christopher Columbus did not discover the news anyways. Records of a radio dispatcher of Portland Police Department reflect the first notice of unidentified objects in flight over the city on September eleventh, nineteen forty seven, was

received from officers in District eighteen, which is an extreme northeast section of the city, at five twenty one pm. The lag further reflects that at five twenty three pm, the radio requested District fourteen, which is further south, to attempt to locate and identify the objects. That at five twenty four pm, a report was received from the car

occupied by Chief of Police Jenkins, reporting that they had cited yeah some objects. District fourteen at five twenty seven pm reported seeing nothing unusual in the sky. Robert Adair, address provided Portland, advised that he was one of the two officers on duty in District eighteen. On September eleventh. The car was in the vicinity of northeast twenty fifth

Avenue in Saratoga Court when a dare and his fellow officer noticed a number of people looking upward and pointing. Upon looking at the sky, Adair observed a very bright reflection of the sun on some object, which was apparently made of a silvery metal. The object was coming from the east and made a wide turn over the city

and disappeared to the south. A Dair estimated its speed to be about one hundred and fifty miles per hour and its altitude at about five thousand feet. He watched it for a period of about two minutes, and during that time it gradually disappeared in such a manner as to appear that the angle was slowly changing, so that

the sun was no longer reflecting into Adare's eyes. He says that the shape appeared to be round, but that the glare was so bright that it could have been hidden the true outline of the object. There was no oscillation visible. Only steady Flight believes it was an ordinary metal airplane reflecting light of the afternoon sun. Then we

have J. R. Caldwell, Portland, Oregon, was a Dare's partner in District eight Team States. The object appeared to him to take the same course as that described by A Dare. He pointed out that the speed, height, and size of the object were different to judge because of the sorry difficult to judge because of the interdependence of these three factors. However,

he believes that the object when first sighted, was about three miles away and about two miles high. It's a lot different than five thousand feet. He believes it was traveling at a much greater speed than a conventional airplane and was a great deal larger. It appeared to him to be elliptical in shape, and insomuch as it did

not bank or tip, he could not judge its thickness. It was a very bright silver or aluminum substance. He goes on to talk about the Chief of Police, mister Jenkins. Jenkins advised that he was traveling south on North Williams Avenue near Russell Street when he and Officer Rainey, his driver, received to call in the police radio requesting District fourteen

to attempt to observe unknown object in the sky reported by officers and District eighteen. Jenkins observed what appeared to be a round silver object about ten thousand feet high, so that's about two miles so that's close by the second option, the second one traveling northeast to southwest. It was directly to Jenkins left. When observed first, he thought

it was a weather balloon. Further observation convinced him that it could not be a balloon because its speed, which was extremely great. As Jenkins watched, it turned gradually until it was traveling due south, and as it did, its shape seemed to change until it appeared to be egg shaped. We got an egg shave crap, not crap, egg shap craft.

There you go Burg some vindigation Jake Barber yep. Jake Barber said he did a recovery of egg shaped shaped craft. And when the Kechsburg Kexsburg. Is the is often described as an acorn. But I mean I could see, you know, egg yeah, yeah. And we got patrol Man Rainey, which, if we recall, he

was the driver of the Chief Chief Jenkins. It was straight ahead of him, traveling straight away from his car. Rainy was driving south on North Williams Avenue. To Rainy, it appeared to be just a glare of sun on some object. He was unable therefore to tell its shape. It appeared to be very high and traveling extremely fast.

It was out of sight after he had traveled four to five city blocks at the speed of about twenty five miles per hour. Rainy stated that he has never seen an object at such extreme height before and that if the sun had not reflected from it, he could not have seen it at all. He believed it could

possibly have been a reflection from a large airplane at great altitude, and we've got let's see. Shalor, Portland, stated that he was on duty and District fourteen with Officer Donald Cowling on September eleventh, nineteen forty seven. He and received the call to watch the object flying over the city. Shalor and Callen immediately scanned the sky from a vantage

point in open territory where they could see the entire sky. They saw nothing in the sky at that time, Shaylor stating that they did not even see any airplanes. A short article in the Aragonian, Portland daily newspaper for September twelfth, nineteen forty seven, describes the object as seen by Chief Police Jenkins. Jenkins and also states that the Oregonian received

several calls from other persons reporting the object. I was wondering if other people saw that, and it's forty seven, they know what airplanes look like, it sound like, and be excited about it, you know. And at that like, you know, at that time, like I don't know, I probably need to look at up

real quick. But at that time, I don't think we were really flying two miles high and airplanes in nineteen forty seven. I don't know. Let me look that up real quick, well, because I'm just interested. Yeah, I don't know. I love all.

I love that these guys were brave enough to call it in and say, hey, get out look. And that even cheap Jackkins was able to see it. Yep. So I mean the X one, the Bell X one, which was orange and would never be confused with the silvery thing. It flew at seventy one thousand feet, but

it was an experimental plane designed to break, you know, to break the sound barrier. Right. I don't know what other planes, you know, anybody who's listening, who may be in an aviator or an aviation you know enthusiast, you know, were their planes in September nineteen

forty seven that would have been you know, metallic or silvery in color, that would have been able to fly you know, roughly one hundred fifty miles an hour at you know, let's say two miles. Up Okay, So this says I looked up says how high did passenger planes fly in nineteen forty seven, And

it says most commercial flights operated at altitudes between eight thousand and twelve thousand feet. So that's higher than two miles. Yeah, and the Boeing three seventy seven Strato Cruiser, popular aircraft at the time, could fly up to twenty thousand feet. But like you say, I feel like people would have

known what aircraft looked. Like exactly at that point. They're very familiar with aircraft. Now, you know, people at our current age don't really know what aircraft looks like in the sky because they've been NonStop staring at their phone screens right for all their life and they never really look up to see

what is in the sky. And so then when they finally do, we get the new Jersey drone scare right. So yeah, I mean I don't know. I I again, I like these older accounts because there's just not as much that they could be discounted as So yeah, and that's so, like I said, that's six, there's way more.

So you know, we might do a revisit of this at some point. Read some other accounts very. Very cool, you know, in fact, and you know some of you out there have have read more of these. Let us know in the comments what your favorite one was, so. We'd love to look it up and read it too.

Yeah, I'll tell you one that I one that I couldn't when I was scanning the documents of the day and I and I couldn't find it to read today because there's you know, like each each file contains, you know, on average, thirty pages, and there one hundred and fifty eight files. Now some of those are videos and pictures

and stuff, but still let's say a hundred of those. So I couldn't readily get back to it for today's episode. But I'll say it's very interesting because a woman wrote into the FBI because she went out to her field. She had a farm. It was a mile away from the road, and there was singed areas in the clover.

She said that metal had dripped onto the field. If you recall, like metal dripping is a common thing, especially in the earlier UFO settings, And so she went out and she actually was able to get some of the metal drippings because they had hardened or solidified. And she said it kind of like tinsil like you would put

on a Christmas tree. But she collected a bunch of it and she sent it to the FBI. Ah, so somewhere the FBI has UFO drippings, Yeah, in a file box again, Like to me, that's that's like the stuff. Like the stories are great, the stories are great, but if you're not going to include the pictures or like

if you did analysis on these UFO drippings that this person sent in, Like, yeah, why not include what analysis? You feel? Like, what did you find? And the reason that they you know that the conspiracy theorist in me says, the reason they haven't released any of that stuff is because that stuff is conclusive, Like it it tells more

of the story than what just these accounts tell but exactly exactly, you know, I'd also be interested in anybody who's listening or watching this on YouTube, have you ever seen a UFO dripping you know, dripping the metal or whatever the lot. Sometimes it's described as gripping lava, And what do you think it is? Yeah, you know, maybe

it's their waste. Oh maybe yeah, like maybe it's some sort of byproduct of their energy system. Right, or maybe they're yeah that when it interacts with oxygen or something. Yeah, I mean, who knows it's alien tech, right, They got to get their alien registration number, though they.

Do they do well. Thank you, Josh. I appreciate that. That was a lot of fun. They can look up these files again at war dut gov slash UFO. Yeah correct, All right, so very interesting. Check it out. Have some fun with it, like we've had fun with it.

Watch the videos, look at the pictures, read the files. Let us know what you think in the comments. But we're gonna go ahead and get out of here. Next month is the Dysculpture movies coming out, right? Yeah, the Steven Spielberg movie. I think it's gonna be great. I mean, anybody who

is a UFO experiencer, grab all of your friends who think that you're bonkers and go see that movie. Maybe they'll leave having a new respect for where you are at. Amen. Amen. All right, well, let's go ahead and get out of here. Thank you guys so much for tuning into the shadow signal.

This has been Stephen reminding you to stay in the shadows and listen for the signal. This has been Josh. The truth is now. Goodnight, folks, have a good one. We'll see you next month. Good night,