400 Years of Dogmen Werewolves and Wolf Beasts

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USAA Federal Savings Bank, member FDIC. Welcome to The Shadow Signal, the frequency of the unknown. I'm Josh Rutledge. And I'm Stephan Gearhart. Together we dive deep into high strangeness, UFOs, cryptids, the paranormal, psychic phenomenon, and the hidden truths that echo just beneath the surface.

Somewhere between reality and myth lies the signal. Can you hear it? Tune in. The Shadow Signal is live. And welcome back ladies and gentlemen and spooky people and cryptids and ghosts whatever Thank you all for tuning in to the shadow signal podcast. I am your host Stefan Gearhart joined as always by my

Word friend who's got the GERD who's kind of word and he's kind of weird We call him Josh Rutledge. What's up, Josh? I'm doing pretty good other than like you said having the GERD dealing with the GERD you know i've said gird so much in the last probably eight weeks that i never want to say it again so good gird yes oh my gird that's all i can think of that's all i can think of no i i don't envy you sir i don't envy you

but anyways we got a fun show happy fall everybody we are officially in fall even though it's still like 100 degrees even in kentucky um we are officially into fall uh by the time you guys uh yeah i think tomorrow uh where we're at but you guys it'll be officially fall by then so yeah by the time you hear this it'll be it'll be fall so we've where we're sitting in the timeline though right now we've got one more day one more day in the future do you remember that i'm toning over in the year that's what i was just thinking yep yep that's what i was

channeling right there when i said that nice all right well we like i said we got a cool show uh josh what are we going to be talking about today uh we're going to be talking about dog men werewolves and wolf beasts of the last years that's a lot that's a lot and uh yeah so i just watched the new strange new world star trek episode so and there was a werewolf in the air yeah so funsies uh anyways let's go ahead and get cracking let's start as always josh with our psychic word of the week and psychic word of the week psychic word of the week is brought to you by

the Encyclopedic Psychic Dictionary written by June G. Bletzer, PhD. Rest in peace, honey bear. I love you and I've never known you, but I want you. The veil is getting thinner,

so I wish you could just tell us something cool. I don't know. Maybe a revised psychic dictionary. Yeah, give us an appendix even. Yeah, an appendix.

I already have an appendix, so I don't need another one, but maybe an appendix of the book. Anyways, Josh, I opened up the book to page 223, and what caught my eye was the term extraterrestrial animals, ufology, obviously, biological UFOs that take the form of animals, varying from tiny to very large in size, some pleasant to see, and some are grotesque, realization by their movements that they are a pulsating life. and then of course it says synonym is space animals which is more along the lines of what i was thinking like space whales yeah but still pretty interesting you don't think about i mean

this is a biological ufo uh taking the shape of an animal so not not a biological alien like alien in the normal sense extraterrestrial but the ship itself like so like if we think about maybe the orbs that a lot of people are seeing nowadays and it's been speculated that some of those orbs may just be living you know entities yeah like uh oh what was her name that we had on the show that the lights in the skies that she thought were entities krista alexander yes oh man that was very interesting yeah that she was like seeing like the the pixelated bugs and stuff in her

videos yeah yeah um but yeah like what if you know like you say instead of it taking the form of you know a gray it takes the form of a fox which yeah you know which we've heard right which also kind of talks about steven spielberg's movie you know disclosure day where yeah you know not for not to give away for anybody who hasn't seen it yet but there's animals involved uh in that movie as well yeah and which also goes back to native american or even other cultures and their their religious beliefs that the gods would take on forms of animals i mean and you and i have talked

about in the past how two people or people can see different things in an experience so it may not even be that they're actually taking on that shape it's just that they're projecting that shape to whomever is seeing them yeah and so i did look up space animals so i had to read space animals and so it says ufology uh foreign objects in various sizes shapes and colors using outer space as their home pulsating life that appears and acts more like animals than they do like humans invisible to the physical eye but have been photographed by infrared camera exposures

and some appear pleasant and some appear revolting so so interesting i mean yep yeah and it kind of it kind of ties loosely ties into the topic for today so good job that's how june g blitzer visits you every time by the way she does i just open up and find something she tells you the word to pick yep that's pretty interesting pretty pretty pretty good well thank you june g blitzer and thank you josh uh so let's move on it looks like you told me ahead of time you've got an interrupted transmission

so let's go into interrupted transmissions interrupted transmissions yeah so just just a couple little things like you say the veil is thinning um and i recently rearranged our family room to like put the tv above the fireplace and move the couches and stuff around and so now the xbox um my old one that the girls uh play on is now on like a lower shelf uh you know kind of off to the left of the tv and um so if you remember the old xboxes like the first xbox one if anybody ever had one it's not a button it's like a touch sense button like you just have to touch it and

it comes on that's the way ps4 is too so uh my daughter lily was in the family room the other day there was like all the cats were near her my dog luna was outside but the xbox turned on so like something brushed up against it and triggered that sense you know that uh touch thing to turn the xbox on and then like 20 minutes ago i mean this is recent uh was standing out in the family room uh my kids were watching um phineas and ferb and i was just kind of standing there watching whatever was on at that moment and we all heard the sound that my washing machine

makes whenever it turns on i was like was that in that was that in the the show and like no it wasn't in the show so like i went and looked my washing machine wasn't turned on like it had nothing on the screen so we came back out we backed up uh the show just to make sure it wasn't like a reuse the sound or something and sure i mean it was not in the show so something turned on and then off my washing machine wow that's creepy so yeah that's that's real i mean i've seen uh glimpses out of the corner of my eye and stuff like that for the last couple weeks and i i keep

thinking i'm seeing our old cat kitty whiskers uh you know kind of moving about here but um but yeah i mean uh i've seen stuff out of the corner of my eye for a long time but having it actually interacting with this with my physical space is is something new yeah i'm actually kind of surprised So the audience doesn't know, but I started a new job three weeks ago and I'm now a life enrichment director at a different senior living facility. And so I was already expecting to have some encounters and I've yet to because at the old one, it happened within the first few weeks that I had something. Well, maybe you're so focused on the new job and making sure that you're doing it, quote unquote, right, that, you know, you're more engaging your left brain and not so much your right brain.

And that's why you're not really sensing it or picking up on it. Yep, possibly, possibly. But I'll be thinking about it as the veil fence. Yeah, you got to get you one of those K2 meters, you know, the ones with the lights on it. Yeah. Just turn it on and set it on your office desk.

and while you're sitting there working, see if it goes off. Right. They just hear me squeal every once in a while. Like a little girl. Yep. Anyways.

Yeah. So that's my interrupted transmissions. I'm sure when we record for October, we'll probably have some more. Like you say, the veil. Probably. Yep.

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to us about various things and recently we got in we brought in this guy um ben and i cannot think for the life of me ben's last name but he's the he's the like archaeologist not um uh raptor specialist guy that they keep having on skinwalker ranch he's been on there since season one yeah it's been on and on you know they bring him out every time to look at like you know when the cow died underneath the ufo yeah and stuff you know they bring him out uh ben woodruff is his name so he was doing a presentation yeah and um he was talking about the dire wolf and it

really got me thinking about you know the dire wolf and how yeah you know it's pretty much extinct but there was a company out there of course trying to bring it back um yeah you know the whole jurassic park situation but um which you know time will tell if that's a good idea or not but it really got me thinking about um you know these ginormous wolves and uh and like wolf attacks and things like that over uh over the years and so i was looking into what are the kind of the older oldest wolf type of attacks um or sightings that have going back and i

i was surprised to see that uh one of the earliest ones on record is uh little red riding hood well maybe i mean this was around the time of the grims so yeah uh peter stump and in night in 1589 good old peter stump peter stump with two peas two peas i know a guy that's got a stump never mind no that's not that's not um so like it might be interesting just to cover just this case in a future episode but just for a kind of

foundational context Stump confessed under torture to committing a string of murders as a werewolf claiming that a magic belt from the devil

enabled his transformations and this became the template of European culture around the topic of werewolves and wolf attack uh details so so he's the og werewolf he's the og interesting like he was

given a magic belt so like um it wasn't you know this was no context of the full moon it was just whenever he put on this belt he could transform into a werewolf i feel like i've heard that before though i think we may have the back yeah and we we we did an episode like a couple years back where we talked about uh where where werewolves and other wares like other you know and i think we may have talked about this briefly in that episode too but it might be worth looking into just to do like a full episode because i'm pretty sure it's a it's

a cool kind of past true crime type situation jd said he's wore a wolf before he's wore a wolf yeah doesn't surprise me so anyways uh getting into the kits and bibbles uh um the uh um we start off with the beast and i'm gonna butcher this name jevo no jevo done france g-e-v-a-u-d-a-n Gévaudan France Sure This was from 1764

To 1767 This was up In the Margeride Mountains in the Loisir And Haute-Laurie Provinces

Rural South Central France 1764 The creature was Witnesses described something like a wolf Yet not a wolf reddish brown fur a long tail an oversized head uh unusual size um sometimes reported standing or lunging in ways normal wolves don't so you know he was it was unique yeah that's interesting

i just finished a book by my new favorite horror author nick roberts he's an independent writer but it's called mean spirited and uh essentially this dog gets possessed by these kids that had died and so they they he stands up on his hind legs and stuff a lot it's it's creepy interesting so that's what that made me think about yeah well i mean that's kind of the typical description of you know a werewolf right is it it's a wolf that walks like a man yeah um so over the course of those three years an estimated 100 plus people were killed

overwhelmingly were women children and shepherds jeez 100 plus shoot 100 plus over three years um this fed both the panic and the folklore since predators typically avoid humans pretty aggressively the case became a national obsession and King Louis XV personally

dispatched royal wolf hunters to deal with it this wasn't a logo ghost story it was a state level crisis hunter

Jean Chastel is credited with killing the presumed final beast in june 1767 using uh per legend blessed silver bullets so this is a detail that modern werewolf fiction to borrow directly from this case yep um the competing kind of explanations at the time was that it was either an ordinary large wolf or wolf pack a wolf dog hybrid or a

Manure de Lupis, a wolfmaster, or a sorcerer believed to control wolves and direct their killings. That's cool. Yeah. That sounds straight up like

D&D. Well, I like, you know, other than I mean, I know this is French, but Manure, I mean, isn't that poop? Poop. He's the poop master.

He's the poop master. Look how I can control poop and wolves. Yeah, only wolf poop, though. Yeah, only wolf poop. So that was like 200 years after Mr. Stump.

Yep. So the modern historian consensus is that it was a large wolf or a small pack. Yeah. But the sheer scale and behavior is still debated 250 plus years later. People, that's insane, man. Yep.

so then we've got now this one predates the one i just read uh and it's 1685 it's the wolf of ansbach germany german wolves will get you um it was a man-eating wolf uh that terrorized killing people and livestock uh this was just to be clear this was a wolf that ate man not a man-eating wolf. Sorry, a little rascals joke there.

If you remember the movie they made, they had like a six-foot-tall man eating chicken, and they like, you went in there, it was a six-foot-tall man eating a bucket of chicken. Okay, never mind. Yeah. Okay, so

the folklore twist is locals didn't think it was just an animal, they believed it was the reincarnated spirit of a recently deceased, hated town official, Michael

Leet, who had become the wolf to continue terrorizing the town from beyond the grave. So it says, after the wolf was killed, the town

dressed the corpse in human clothing and a mask and publicly hanged it. Oh my god! So they legitimately thought it was a spirit and a wolf,

So they dressed it up like a human and then hung it. Hung me like a wolf. Jeez. This is a striking early example of a community

treating a cryptid or an animal case as illegal for a moral matter instead of a hunting problem. Alright. So then we get another one in France. This is the

between the 16th and 17th century. The loop guru trials um a cluster of werewolf prosecutions michael verdon pierre burgo philibert montaut and the gandleon family which i'm not even gonna pair paranet antoinette and male relatives all trialed all tried for allegedly transforming into wolves and attacking people then we've got in britain black shuck and wolf-headed apparitions this is between the

18th and 20th century um distinguished uh from the classic phantom black dog legend numerous english and welsh reports especially in east anglia and along old churchyard paths describe something specifically wolf signs or wolf-headed distinct from shuck's usual dog-shaped depiction yeah um you know this is we've kind of gone from flesh and blood killer wolves to a reincarnated official to outright werewolf trials and now to like full-on ghost sightings like of ghost wolves or werewolves yeah ghost wolves um so that's kind of the you know european

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So, that's, I guess, the earliest case of the Michigan Dog Man is 1887. Oh, wow, I didn't realize it went that far back. Yeah. So, then in 1917, four horses were found dead in Michigan woods, and their eyes were wide open, and the veterinarian that examined them said that they were scared to death. Phew. Well, yeah.

um no predation marks were reported on the horses just apparent terror that's crazy so they so they were just scared yeah excuse me so in 1936 at the saint coletta school grounds this was a Shackleman Dogman type report specifically

describes flat bear like feet and an anatomical detail that keeps surfacing across decades and states that's 1936 also still in Michigan

we're still in Michigan 1937 Paris Michigan Robert Fortney is attacked by a pack of wild dogs and claims one of them was walking on two legs right um from the 1950s to the 70s there's a recurring lower profile encounters cluster in elegan and manistee counties uh in 1987 a radio

dj's novelty song the legend popularizes the modern name michigan dog man and submits a folklore pattern sightings are said to spike in years ending in seven so 77 87 97 etc oh that means next year it's coming yeah now well there probably have been sightings since but there was spiking next year especially since they probably play that song over and over again on the radio since it's in the year that ends up yeah um 93 to 94 in grand haven that's in ottawa county a witness known as ben reports three separate sightings including one in his own

parents driveway uh bringing the phenomenon out of the deep woods and into a residential setting but you think about it what was what you know what was deep woods in 1887 is now suburban america you got it that's what i was thinking um in the menestee national forest an army veteran describes a creature keeping pace with his truck at 25 miles per hour with a wolf head

the size of his window had 3 inch fangs and 14 inch human like hands. Yeah, I'd be going faster than 25. I mean

that's like the size of your window. I mean if you get pulled over and just say you were getting chased by a wolf man, I'm sure they'll believe you. Yeah, well you gotta be a dog man. Yeah. Yeah. You can't, you know, just,

I'm sure they won't issue you a breathalyzer. Yeah, not at all. So then we go into Wisconsin, the beast of Bray road. Ooh, very famous one. So in 1936, a night watchman at St. Coletta school that was in Michigan, sorry. um in fall 1989 lori andrizi cites a large creature along bray road at night the sighting

that gives the legend its name in september october of 1989 dairy farmer scott bray the road's actual namesake reports a large gray and black furred pointy eared canine in its pasture bigger than a german shepherd and finds unusual tracks afterwards then in 1990 mike ettin sees an animal bigger than a wolf sitting upright and eating with its forepaws posture and behavior far outside the normal canine behavior um in 1992 tom brichetta uh resort bricta reports two separate encounters a partial vehicle collision with the creature and the later sighting of it standing

among tall vegetation journalist linda goffrey took these reports seriously enough to investigate uh publishing the beast of brave road um tailing wisconsin's werewolf her reporting is widely credited with launching the modern american dogman phenomena as a named tracked category of sighting and spreading it into broader midwest folklore yep i mean that's that was the first one i ever heard of was the beast of bray road so i'm still just imagining this dog eating with his paws because i was like does he have thumbs yeah when you keep you can't grasp like maybe he's just kind

of palming what either side of it you know like like i don't know um and we should ask jimothy yeah the sweetest cryptid that ever actually lived yeah I'm sure he's like JD's cousin or something

so all right we get into some some tribal accounts here so this is the

Shunka Warrington Ringdocus this is in the Montana Idaho area um this is the 19th century regional native oral tradition a wolf or hyena like cryptid blamed for livestock kills across the northern plains uh the physical evidence is that a taxidermic specimen nicknamed ring doccus was reportedly displayed at a museum in henry lake

idaho but then it was lost somebody lost it yeah of course they always lose the evidence the the damning evidence um in 1991 a student researcher lance foster rediscovered the topic reviving interest in the 19th century reports and the missing specimen um but so far no additional details have been found it's all just contained within lore and in history yeah uh the next up is the wahila and this comes from the northwest territories in canada uh a large white wolf-like cryptid reported specifically in the nahanni valley

um cryptozoologist ivan sanderson associated wahila sightings with a string of unexplained decapitation deaths in the valley dang that's a that's a long claw or just yeah yeah just ripped them off i don't know and unfortunately i don't have those details you weren't there i wasn't there no i mean i guess i could remote view it but you know yeah if any of our listeners are remote viewers you guys could go there and let us know that'd be great really just just know that it's said that when you remote view a part of your consciousness actually goes there so don't get

beheaded yourself that bigger yeah um so the some researchers speculatively think that the wahila and the other one that i mentioned that i'm not going to try to pronounce again as a possible surviving relic of the prehistoric canaan lineage could be um and next up we have the Ozark Howler. Ooh, that sounds cool. This is from

Arkansas, Missouri Ozarks from the early 1800s. Described as a bear-like, wolf-like, with shaggy dark coat and an unsettling howl.

Some reports add horns, pushing it more towards a chimera than a pure wolf beast. Ooh, that's cool. In 1946 in Red Oak, Oklahoma was an early documented

sighting, although I don't have those details. October 2014 in Benton County, Arkansas, a 911 call after a motorist nearly hits a bear-sized, gray,

fast-running animal. The Arkansas Game and Fish Commission actually dispatched officers to investigate. That was just a rare case of when State Wildlife Agency actually responded to a

call. yeah um december 2015 viral photos submitted to an arkansas news station were later confirmed to be a hoax uh bastards yeah yeah it's a wendigo that's like what that the deer you saw standing upright in my backyard man i'll never forget yep i mean when to go deer do stand upright but not for a long period of time yeah it stayed there for a while staring at me i don't know what the record is for a deer standing on its hind legs but but i mean you you were probably standing in

my back in my driveway looking at it for like a good i would say 10 to 15 seconds and then i kept i kept looking in the direction and i couldn't really see anything but i wasn't quite uh i wasn't quite awoken to the other things in life like I am today you know going back to that time like I've even thought about

trying to explore that memory to see if maybe in my eyes captured something that my brain filtered out that now I might be able to see but anyways the Beast of Bloodenboro

North Carolina North Carolina in 1953 and 54 livestock dogs and cattle all found dead and drained of blood

with witnesses like a chupacabra or cattle mutilations with witnesses describing a large dark wolf panther like creature

media exploded around it dubbing it the vampire beast and hunting parties set out to track it down it was never

conclusively identified no body no confirmed kill interesting um then we go to we jump all the way to southern brazil oh and argentina and paraguay uh el lobizion a werewolf like this is tutor dixon my way home from church on sunday it struck me how fortunate i am to live in a country where i can openly practice my christian faith without fear of persecution. I know my Christian brothers and sisters in places like Iran, India, and Nigeria

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son of a seventh son yeah um likely descended from spanish portuguese colonial werewolf folklore blended with uh local tradition um still actively reported in rural areas today sometimes described using modern dogman language including a reported uh paraguayan couple's roadside encounter okay uh then we go off to uh east africa this is in the early to mid 20th century called the nunda or devil lion um colonial era reports of an oversized gray wolf or cat-like predator blamed for livestock and

occasional human deaths this kind of all overlaps with big cat cryptid lore sometimes described as distinctively canine features though like the monkey cat that Santosh and I

saw we have the Amarok which is in a Greenland Inuit tradition an enormous white wolf like creature from Inuit oral tradition

said to specifically hunt lone travelers who wander far from the group yeah it's already bad enough to be wandering in greenland um still occasionally cited in modern arctic region strange animal reports though most accounts remain folkloric rather than incident based yeah you know some of these things might have been uh created to encourage people not to wander off at night yeah i mean a lot of lore was that for kids especially yeah i mean we've we've talked about it before i don't want to get

too far down this path but a lot of religious things that are said you know in various religious texts were probably done towards like population control and things like that so yep um i could definitely see that being the case however um i can also see that there are just strange that are things that are odd in our world that we don't quite understand so it could be both yep um so that's pretty much the list i wanted to pose though a a theory or um a possible explanation yeah what if what if the notion of skinwalkers is not a north american

based like what if it stems from an older thing like what if these people or these wolf attacks are actually skinwalkers but whatever the term would be in their societal you know cultural norm sure um and and what if what if skinwalkers because of the nature of what they are are immortal and so you get skinwalkers that are hundreds or even possibly thousands of years old that transform into the wolf of their time. Right.

Which would be out of place in our time because that wolf has gone extinct. Yeah. Oh, that's interesting. So they're stuck using the form they originally used, essentially.

Yeah, I mean, they can still transform into a man. Yeah. But whenever they go back into a wolf, they're in the wolf of their time. Sure, like a dire wolf. yeah like a dire wolf or whatever yeah and maybe the only way that a skinwalker can be killed is

by another skinwalker so it's possible even still that when they are killed they revert to their animal form right so that's why you get dire wolves or whatever washing up on skinwalker ranch because they died and reverted to their original form yeah interesting so i was like i was gonna to look up dog man in here but it's not in here but what i did get uh is dog gods and it says uh etheric world intelligences from the faster vibrational frequencies taking the form of a dog when appearing to a human well you got anubis an egyptian yeah you know i mean he was a dog

like man thing yeah um you know but yeah i mean it really like i would have met so much of the we've talked about this a lot in the past but so much of cryptid names and stuff are taken from where they were seen right right but it's very possible that just like humans are found all over the earth there is like you know branches of cryptids that are also found all over the earth they're just given different names based on who sees them and what was happening or where they well you have to remember i mean even like how humans crossed that natural land bridge to get

to north america animals did as well oh yeah and skinwalkers very much could have well i mean yeah you talked about animals crossing um the elephants originated in north america yeah and then crossed the bering land bridge and you know ended up in africa so um you know yeah and even you know if we go really far back you know two million years ago 200 250 million years ago when pangea was a thing i mean who knows where things could have walked around whatever and you know it ended up when the continent separated and ended up where they are today so right yeah i mean i i um to me

that logically makes the most sense is that we're not dealing with you know different you know 40 different things across the world we're dealing with like you know one or two or three different things that we've just made up new names for yeah yep agreed that's very interesting josh so that's the uh that's the conclusion of our wolf dog man dog yeah um did my my kids read the dog man graphic novels. Have you ever read those?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know what you're talking about. He uses a dog's head on a man's body to still be a police officer. Yeah. Those dog men are cute and cuddly.

These dog men are not cute and cuddly. If you see one, take a picture and run. And run. Put a camera on your back and run away. Run away.

Run away! so yeah i won't forget uh another one at your old house when we were sitting back there looking up at the sky and everything and all those coyotes were just howling right by us right in the tree line shoo yeah i mean i i tell people all the time like i still feel like there was constantly something in that tree line watching us oh all the time all the time i mean like it wasn't just a matter of sitting with our backs to something that we can't define i mean that's so there's

some psychological stuff there too but i mean just even that feeling that you get when something's watching you i mean it was just all the time in that tree line yep true oh lily asked me the other day because if you remember there was one time we went and we walked you know it was daytime we walked back into the area and lily asked me the other day how come you wouldn't let us go with you and i was like well i didn't know what was in there and she's like well what do you mean i'm like well you know i played it off as like it could be poison ivy or something you had shorts on

but what i was actually like you know i don't know what is in there like i don't want to expose you in anything i don't want anything to attach itself to you and you know you carry it back into your room or whatever the case may be so yeah it was just a very creepy thing and then um yeah i don't know if you're again if you remember there was way back in there this old abandoned farmhouse yeah that i found on google maps or whatever google earth well we were talking the other day and leila said that she looked out into the backyard one day and she could see the

lights on in that house and i was like lately it's impossible nobody's been there for hundreds of years she's like i swear i saw the house back in the tree line and i could see the lights on people were moving about and i was like then you saw some ghosts yep yep you saw a spectral recording yeah and that it gives me chills just think about it but yeah heck yeah heck yeah so anyways um i'll also add in case anybody knows dave scott a host of um spaced out radio he is terrified of dogmen he doesn't like to talk about dogmen that's funny like our bell doesn't want to

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